I've studied a few years of karate but found it to be ineffective. I then did wing chun but its too expensive. I live in a rough area and need to be able to **** up a person if they start a fight. I'm thinking about krav maga or kung fu .. anyone got any ideas?
Looking for a kickass MA!?
Everything is good and effective, it is the time you put into it. Although you are from the bad area and wish to learn some moves to beat up a guy, you cannot expect to learn anything in a short while, choosing krav manga over kung fu or over something else doesn't guarantee you at all that you will learn it faster . Again, considering the "kickassness" element of the arts , all are basicly the same.
If you are in a rush try to find some fast , basic self protection classes that teach some military moves , tehniques and else, that can be absorbed somewhat fast.
Reply:Move.
If your neighborhood is so rough that you can't talk people out of a fight, martial arts are the least of your worries. Guns are what you should be worrying about. Martial arts are not for street fighting. That is based on a totally unrealistic view of what street fighting is all about. People who win real street fights are not the most skilled fighters, they're the dirtier fighters who are willing to take things to the next level quicker. Some are outright sociopaths. You're heading into a dead end.
Reply:Any of the Hakka Arts of China
Bak Mei - a real kickass art:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ba...
Okinawan Karate from someone who knows the deep meanings of the forms, like this:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ta...
I don't know what is the fascination with krav maga, mma and bruce lee here but it's saddening.
Reply:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration
I think Pankration suites your kickass martial art! that your looking for
Reply:I love savate. It is a form of kick boxing that has origins in France. It is one of the more brutal martial arts that is very effective against fighting styles like karate. If you want to get into it, strengthen your forearms. For more info go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savate
I also like Bruce Lee's style of Jeet Kune Do. For info on that go to this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jun_Fan
Reply:um train chito ryu sparring
Reply:Why not both? I think if you're in a street fight you would need to know how to use simple object you find on the street as weapons and you would also need to know how to take guns or knives away and I know Krav Maga teaches you how to disarm someone with a weapon very effectively. The number 1 rule about fighting a gun or a knife is run away!! I don't care how trained you are a gun or a knife will most likely kill you.
Reply:Gracie Jiu Jitsu or Judo.
Saturday, May 15, 2010
Whats your Jeet Kun Do?
Or rather, whats your mix of martial arts that work for you best and allow for your own self expression?
For me:
-Wing Chun because I love the centerline theory and deflections.
-Greco Roman wrestling from my High School
-Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do for kicking as their sidekick is really easy for me to use and good for range
Whats your Jeet Kun Do?
Hmmm...let me see, I did start out with learning Wing Chun from someone who claimed to have been certified to teach it back when i was in high school, but since from observation I have concluded that it was a watered down version, I didn't really consider it as a part of my legitimate training, even though some of the techniques I've learned from it have proven to be effective in the few tight spots that I have found myself in a couple of times back in college. I have trained in Boxing, Kickboxing, Aikido and Kali, and dabbled in Tai Chi more as an exercise than as a system of self defense, but all these are merely complimentary training for my ultimate main self defense system, which is the hundred meter dash : P
Reply:TKD Muay Thai BJJ and Aikido
Reply:Collegiate wrestling, tkd, and back yard boxing (yeah, crazy fights).
Reply:I have picked up ideas from - kickboxing, boxing, thai boxing, aikido, judo, JJ, kungfu, stick fighting, selfdefence books and dvds and street fighting ;-]
Reply:I am a SAN DAN in GOJU-RYU,or 3rd degree black belt I like to mix with JUDOKAN
Reply:I'm still really in the beginning of my evolution, but here's what I plan on doing.
Tae Kwon Do is my base art. I've been taking it on and off for 8 years. I just stopped taking my second style of it to start two new styles:
Hapkido- A good complement to Tae Kwon Do with it's joint-locking/manipulation, throws, and defensive kicking.
Kyukido- This art begins with Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido concepts, and moves into Judo/Jujutsu with more time.
After that?
I'm probably going to take Judo, Jujutsu, or BJJ. Hapkido and Judo share many throws, but I haven't learned much ground fighting (Or close grappling for that matter [I'm still a beginner in Hapkido and Kyukido), and a little more throwing practice wouldn't hurt. :p
Wing Chun looks great too. It has some good theories, and I know if I find a good school (Hopefully with sparring :P): It will help out my hand techniques. I can throw some decent attacks, but I know that if I took that style, I would become fluid with whatever hand techniques I have learned. I mean, Jeet Kune Do conceptual hand techniques are "Western Boxing, Wing Chun, and Fencing." ^_^
I would love to take Capoeira again. More fludity to my moves, and crazy reflexes: I like. :)
I'm also interested in Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, and Kung Fu, but I don't have time to take all of those styles. I guess it's going to really depend on what I have available to me.
You have a great mix I would say though. Those styles would cover you in all fighting ranges. I think you picked a great set, and the first poster did as well.
Good luck with your training.
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For me:
-Wing Chun because I love the centerline theory and deflections.
-Greco Roman wrestling from my High School
-Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do for kicking as their sidekick is really easy for me to use and good for range
Whats your Jeet Kun Do?
Hmmm...let me see, I did start out with learning Wing Chun from someone who claimed to have been certified to teach it back when i was in high school, but since from observation I have concluded that it was a watered down version, I didn't really consider it as a part of my legitimate training, even though some of the techniques I've learned from it have proven to be effective in the few tight spots that I have found myself in a couple of times back in college. I have trained in Boxing, Kickboxing, Aikido and Kali, and dabbled in Tai Chi more as an exercise than as a system of self defense, but all these are merely complimentary training for my ultimate main self defense system, which is the hundred meter dash : P
Reply:TKD Muay Thai BJJ and Aikido
Reply:Collegiate wrestling, tkd, and back yard boxing (yeah, crazy fights).
Reply:I have picked up ideas from - kickboxing, boxing, thai boxing, aikido, judo, JJ, kungfu, stick fighting, selfdefence books and dvds and street fighting ;-]
Reply:I am a SAN DAN in GOJU-RYU,or 3rd degree black belt I like to mix with JUDOKAN
Reply:I'm still really in the beginning of my evolution, but here's what I plan on doing.
Tae Kwon Do is my base art. I've been taking it on and off for 8 years. I just stopped taking my second style of it to start two new styles:
Hapkido- A good complement to Tae Kwon Do with it's joint-locking/manipulation, throws, and defensive kicking.
Kyukido- This art begins with Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido concepts, and moves into Judo/Jujutsu with more time.
After that?
I'm probably going to take Judo, Jujutsu, or BJJ. Hapkido and Judo share many throws, but I haven't learned much ground fighting (Or close grappling for that matter [I'm still a beginner in Hapkido and Kyukido), and a little more throwing practice wouldn't hurt. :p
Wing Chun looks great too. It has some good theories, and I know if I find a good school (Hopefully with sparring :P): It will help out my hand techniques. I can throw some decent attacks, but I know that if I took that style, I would become fluid with whatever hand techniques I have learned. I mean, Jeet Kune Do conceptual hand techniques are "Western Boxing, Wing Chun, and Fencing." ^_^
I would love to take Capoeira again. More fludity to my moves, and crazy reflexes: I like. :)
I'm also interested in Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, and Kung Fu, but I don't have time to take all of those styles. I guess it's going to really depend on what I have available to me.
You have a great mix I would say though. Those styles would cover you in all fighting ranges. I think you picked a great set, and the first poster did as well.
Good luck with your training.
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Martial arts in street fight?
Just curious as to what moves you martial artist have (successfully) used in a real fight, I tried using tecniques I learned at the dojo, but just ended up scappy :( any input/thoughts/experiences would be appreciated, cheers
btw- my expereince includes mui thai,tkd, wing chun, a little bjj...
Martial arts in street fight?
The only real altercation i was in, i was hammederd drunk, and a guy was running at me throwing a punch, as a white belt in tkd i learned 8 movements to block and counter a punch, learned it on my second day, and the first movement is what i did, side block and punch and the guy was out like a light, should have stopped after two days of classes, the next 6 years of my life was a waste (only a joke)
Reply:BJJ is the best. start of with a kick to the leg if you have good kicking techniques. Those will hurt the person. Next drop them go full mount and whail away..
Reply:i prefer the 1 hit ko techniques
i dont know if you know my style
my favorite is a roundhouse to the face at full speed(no need for control if they are attacking you)
they wont get up from that
just for clarification i believe the best way to ensure a successful hit is to be so fast they cant even tell you are attacking before they get hit
Reply:Fake side kick to the leg (knee or even ankle)... and when he lowers his hands instinctively to block or catch your leg you side-kick him in the head. It only will work if executed really fast because the energy that will go into the final kick must start generating from the fake kick... Practice with partner many times before trying that in street fight!
Reply:If you truly want to learn a martial art for self defense and street fighting, then look at combat styles taught to special forces like krav maga or kung fu san soo. You will be taught skills to end a fight and disable your attacker in under 5 seconds. You won't learn to dance around and be an acrobat, you will learn to be a fighter and warrior. There will no tournaments or competitions, only survival fighting, but you will have to study and work very hard to become a master.
In a real street fight or mugging you must learn to strike as a coiled rattlesnake, without thinking, in a nanosecond to leave the thug as disabled as possible so you can escape in one piece and the thug in agony waiting for an ambulance to take him to the hospital with broken bones and joints. There are no rules to follow in a real confrontation.
I decided to get combat training from 2 street fighter masters after I was attacked several times . One time me and a friend and his girlfriend were out at a pizza bar drinking and came out to the parking lot, got in the car and it wouldn't start. All of a sudden this drunk punk appears holding one of the battery cables, laughing and scaring us and said he was gonna beat us all up. I was in the back seat and he told me to roll down the window, which I did because he intimidated us. He started pushing my face and putting his finger, snapping my cheek. At that time, I was a 17 year old kid afraid with no combat training. luckily he had no guns or knives and finally he let us go.
But now after the training if that same incident occured, I realized that because he was in my strike zone, which is within an arms length, I would have had the advantage. In a nano second, I would have grabbed his finger in my face, broken it to disable and to distract and then with my other hand in an other nanosecond, I would have struck his throat or windpipe, strike a full blow to break his nose, thrust my 2 front fingers in his eye socket or attempted to rip off his ear, whatever it took to get away. I didn't know how life threatening this dude was or if he had weapons to kill us or what. Also he was drunk but mean and sadistic, so there would be no mercy. Now I know this sounds brutal, but that's what you have to learn if you are attacked in the street. There is no time to spar or dance around with fancy kicks and forms and moves. If the attacker is in your strike zone, with the proper training, you will have the advantage and will strike in a nanosecond as a reflex as the coiled rattler does, the lynx or grizzly bear. In less than 3 seconds you must disable and leave the attacker in painful agony and knocked down so you can run ASAP. That's the kind of martial art to learn, krav maga or kunk fu san soo, combat training. You must learn as a barbarian. You will bite, scratch, pull hair, cream some dudes testicles if necessary, break a knee cap or jaw, whatever it takes to get away alive
Hope this helps, because that is the real world out there and the next thing is awareness. Learn not to be a victim and study where you are, where you go and when
Reply:I've used both judo throws and kung fu blocks and strikes in real fights, both being extremely effective for me and leading to the incapacitation of my attackers. Of course it depends on the practitioner, but all martial arts can be useful in a real fight. You just have to know how to apply it.
Reply:I think part of the problem is that people today expect to go into a class and learn something in an hour or two that they can use to beat up everyone on the street.
Remember that these arts were used for real life and death fighting, they were kids when they started learning and they trained hard every day. They practiced techniques thousands of times with increasing resistance and in different environments. Then, maybe after 5-10 years, they were ready to go to battle.
Reply:Martial arts are a way to do things, a blueprint.... Nothing will ever look or feel that clean in a real life or death situation.
Reply:The last fight I was in I used a comination of Aikido, Boxing and grappling. You can't go into a fight and say"this is what I am going to do". Instead you have to react to what ever they throw at you. Because the attacker could also be trained in fighting so you might walk into a punch or kick or even a takedown. Be ready for everything and use what you need.
Reply:You have to spar often in the dojo to make it work....If you spar often and do your road work regularly, you should have an edge in endurance and nerve in most situation.
Reply:all the boxing i learned and elbows i learned from karate nothing else i tried some wrist locks but i stopped cause it was clear they where going to hurt the guy and im not a dick (its strange you cant do locks without hurting people it sucks)
Reply:Fortunately I've neve had to defend myself too seriously recently - or since beginning my formal study of martial arts. Also fortunately, only a few of my students over the years have had to ( say 5 or 7 or so ).
Quick, effective, simple, and clean are the watchwords. You need to assess each situation individually and determine what will make most sense. All my students used their TaeKwon-Do skills for defense, and all reported simple techniques executed only one or two times were sufficient. Straight line, simple, attacks with hard weapons to soft targets that impacted the aggressor signficantly without causing permanent damage. Front snap kick, a palm heel strike to the jaw, and elbow to the ribs were some I remember.
Never something anyone WANTS to do - hopefully.
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do
btw- my expereince includes mui thai,tkd, wing chun, a little bjj...
Martial arts in street fight?
The only real altercation i was in, i was hammederd drunk, and a guy was running at me throwing a punch, as a white belt in tkd i learned 8 movements to block and counter a punch, learned it on my second day, and the first movement is what i did, side block and punch and the guy was out like a light, should have stopped after two days of classes, the next 6 years of my life was a waste (only a joke)
Reply:BJJ is the best. start of with a kick to the leg if you have good kicking techniques. Those will hurt the person. Next drop them go full mount and whail away..
Reply:i prefer the 1 hit ko techniques
i dont know if you know my style
my favorite is a roundhouse to the face at full speed(no need for control if they are attacking you)
they wont get up from that
just for clarification i believe the best way to ensure a successful hit is to be so fast they cant even tell you are attacking before they get hit
Reply:Fake side kick to the leg (knee or even ankle)... and when he lowers his hands instinctively to block or catch your leg you side-kick him in the head. It only will work if executed really fast because the energy that will go into the final kick must start generating from the fake kick... Practice with partner many times before trying that in street fight!
Reply:If you truly want to learn a martial art for self defense and street fighting, then look at combat styles taught to special forces like krav maga or kung fu san soo. You will be taught skills to end a fight and disable your attacker in under 5 seconds. You won't learn to dance around and be an acrobat, you will learn to be a fighter and warrior. There will no tournaments or competitions, only survival fighting, but you will have to study and work very hard to become a master.
In a real street fight or mugging you must learn to strike as a coiled rattlesnake, without thinking, in a nanosecond to leave the thug as disabled as possible so you can escape in one piece and the thug in agony waiting for an ambulance to take him to the hospital with broken bones and joints. There are no rules to follow in a real confrontation.
I decided to get combat training from 2 street fighter masters after I was attacked several times . One time me and a friend and his girlfriend were out at a pizza bar drinking and came out to the parking lot, got in the car and it wouldn't start. All of a sudden this drunk punk appears holding one of the battery cables, laughing and scaring us and said he was gonna beat us all up. I was in the back seat and he told me to roll down the window, which I did because he intimidated us. He started pushing my face and putting his finger, snapping my cheek. At that time, I was a 17 year old kid afraid with no combat training. luckily he had no guns or knives and finally he let us go.
But now after the training if that same incident occured, I realized that because he was in my strike zone, which is within an arms length, I would have had the advantage. In a nano second, I would have grabbed his finger in my face, broken it to disable and to distract and then with my other hand in an other nanosecond, I would have struck his throat or windpipe, strike a full blow to break his nose, thrust my 2 front fingers in his eye socket or attempted to rip off his ear, whatever it took to get away. I didn't know how life threatening this dude was or if he had weapons to kill us or what. Also he was drunk but mean and sadistic, so there would be no mercy. Now I know this sounds brutal, but that's what you have to learn if you are attacked in the street. There is no time to spar or dance around with fancy kicks and forms and moves. If the attacker is in your strike zone, with the proper training, you will have the advantage and will strike in a nanosecond as a reflex as the coiled rattler does, the lynx or grizzly bear. In less than 3 seconds you must disable and leave the attacker in painful agony and knocked down so you can run ASAP. That's the kind of martial art to learn, krav maga or kunk fu san soo, combat training. You must learn as a barbarian. You will bite, scratch, pull hair, cream some dudes testicles if necessary, break a knee cap or jaw, whatever it takes to get away alive
Hope this helps, because that is the real world out there and the next thing is awareness. Learn not to be a victim and study where you are, where you go and when
Reply:I've used both judo throws and kung fu blocks and strikes in real fights, both being extremely effective for me and leading to the incapacitation of my attackers. Of course it depends on the practitioner, but all martial arts can be useful in a real fight. You just have to know how to apply it.
Reply:I think part of the problem is that people today expect to go into a class and learn something in an hour or two that they can use to beat up everyone on the street.
Remember that these arts were used for real life and death fighting, they were kids when they started learning and they trained hard every day. They practiced techniques thousands of times with increasing resistance and in different environments. Then, maybe after 5-10 years, they were ready to go to battle.
Reply:Martial arts are a way to do things, a blueprint.... Nothing will ever look or feel that clean in a real life or death situation.
Reply:The last fight I was in I used a comination of Aikido, Boxing and grappling. You can't go into a fight and say"this is what I am going to do". Instead you have to react to what ever they throw at you. Because the attacker could also be trained in fighting so you might walk into a punch or kick or even a takedown. Be ready for everything and use what you need.
Reply:You have to spar often in the dojo to make it work....If you spar often and do your road work regularly, you should have an edge in endurance and nerve in most situation.
Reply:all the boxing i learned and elbows i learned from karate nothing else i tried some wrist locks but i stopped cause it was clear they where going to hurt the guy and im not a dick (its strange you cant do locks without hurting people it sucks)
Reply:Fortunately I've neve had to defend myself too seriously recently - or since beginning my formal study of martial arts. Also fortunately, only a few of my students over the years have had to ( say 5 or 7 or so ).
Quick, effective, simple, and clean are the watchwords. You need to assess each situation individually and determine what will make most sense. All my students used their TaeKwon-Do skills for defense, and all reported simple techniques executed only one or two times were sufficient. Straight line, simple, attacks with hard weapons to soft targets that impacted the aggressor signficantly without causing permanent damage. Front snap kick, a palm heel strike to the jaw, and elbow to the ribs were some I remember.
Never something anyone WANTS to do - hopefully.
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do
Do you think MMA fighters/ UFC destroy the beauty of martial arts?
It is good that people practice mixed martial arts wich is better than beeing limited by one type. But when you think of martial arts fighting, you think of 2 guys in their style uniform fighting swiftly, ( not exactly like the old movies but kinda like it) I mea arts like wing chun, karate, espacially kung fu etc. But then u watch an mma fight/ufc and you see 2 half naked guys just wearing shorts and pounding at each other like 2 beast in a bar fight. I repeat i am not hating, i am just saying that for mee seeing them makes me think as martial arts getting ugly, not appealing. It is good thing tho, just makes ma look ugly, like i dont even wanna watch it and learn it. and its not just the shorts, its also the ugly way they fight and the fact that they almost all look the same.
Do you think MMA fighters/ UFC destroy the beauty of martial arts?
I don't think that MMA fighters make MAs look bad at all. If anything, MMAs makes it look real and aplicable. It's beautiful in it's own right. And you're right, it doesn't look exactally like it does in movies, but that's what those are, movies. In movie the fights are coreographed like a musical coreographs a song and dance routine in the movie or on stage. The reason why in a MMA fight, the fighters are hald naked, is that it allows a more even playing field and less things for an opponent to grab on to. What do you think MA arts were originally? do you think the just got together to dance? I'm sure it would look just as pretty as a MMA fight with it's own respectable differences. It wouldn't be like your pretty movie dancing. That's why there are different schools that focus on different aspects of MAs. People have different tasts. you see to guys rolling around on the ground beating each other. I see a martial arsts trying to obtain a mount by bypassing his opponents guard and obtain a dominant possition. At the same time, trying not to allow the guy on the bottom sweep him and take his possition on top. You see a couple guys on the ground holding hands. I see a fighter trying for an armbar or a kumorah while the other is trying to counter and get a rear nake choke. You see to guys hgging on the fence. I see 2 martail artist in the clinch trying for a take down while giving knee and elbow strikes to eachother. Just like point fighting, just like in the movies, etc there is an art to fighting and it's just as beautiful as any other application of martail arts. Just like watching Chuck Liddell give a left to Rampages ribs while Rampage counters with a heavy right to Chuck's left jaw. I'm sorry it happend to Chuck, but to me....that was beautiful.
Reply:Not really.
I view MMA fighters and UFC as something entirely different and seperate from traditional martial arts.
Reply:I understand your point, but it is more realistic then point fighting.
Reply:To be quite honest - yes. When watching UFC and MMA fights, that's what they look like, fights. There is no "style" to speak of. I'd rather watch karate vs. tkd, or judo, or whatever, like UFC was in the beginning.
Reply:I do not think it destroys the beauty, I think it actually makes you appeciate different styles and beauty involved in other martial arts. I understand your point but I just feel like once you watch the UFC and then you watch someone doing karate you appreciate the beauty more because you can see how complex, wide ranging and diverse martial arts really are and what its all about. I think someone who truly cares about martial arts will look at both and see beauty in all aspects of ma. I love to watch MMA, I am a huge fan and watch as much as possible but I also get great pleasure out of watching traditional martial arts in practice as well, their is beauty in all aspects of the game.
Reply:Well my friend, you will get varied opinions about all this, but here is what it comes down to.
Aside from a few Martial Arts (mainly forms of Shaolin Kung Fu), Martial Arts weren't meant for beauty or their aesthetic value. They were meant for fighting.
Most of the outfits you associate Martial Arts with came as a tradition (the Gi, as originally based off the Kimono) or traditional dress at the time of the Art's foundation.
Many forms of Kung Fu were meant as a means towards spiritual enlightenment, focus, effeciency of motion and breath, and tuning your body for oneness. Even those were not meant to be beautiful, but were meant to draw in and center yourself while disciplining yourself mentally, spiritually, and physically.
While maintaining the tradition of these arts is something I think needs to occur. (Someone needs to maintain this culture, as it was wonderous and fascinating) I again feel the need to stress that Martial Arts were meant for fighting. Which in itself is not beautiful.
Sadly, when people think of Martial Arts fighting (especially outsiders) they think of the movies. Choreographed movements that are not only ineffecient but done so to look better. (Honestly, martial arts fight choreography is an artform in itself).
Martial Arts were based in violence, ugly, brutal violence. The ugly way you think of MMA fighters, is good in some ways. Because that is what fighting is, damn ugly.
Most athletes in some sense look the same, (i.e. in shape).
Fighting is ugly.
I think that is something you are seeing, Martial Arts aren't meant for aesthetics, it just so happens many of the traditional Martial Arts appear that way. The Katas and Forms and the like. (Keep in mind, Kata and Forms are not meant for fighting, they are meant to prepare and condition your body for those movements in a fight) So yes, kicking the air looks beautiful as someone does it with grace and balance. Kicking someone in the head usually isn't quite a pretty.
As I said, I don't think the culture of these traditional martial arts should be lost. (Much the same as there are still katas, and even JJ based Katas in Judo, that one learns at the highest levels). However effectiveness in combat requires ugly brutality, and blood, sweat, and tears. Martial Arts are meant to be combat effective, not aesthetic.
I think there are traditional schools that are in the strictest sense traditional (i.e. hard sparring, hard body conditioning, actually fighting).
Then there are traditional schools that embrace a different side of what they feel is traditional, and adhere to the more friendly aesthetically pleasing, kid friendly, money making way. And try to further sell the mysticism sometimes associated with martial arts.
The public perception, and even the perception of many Martial Artists who embraced this mentality of Asianophile mystic type of tradition is that Martial Arts are the key to unlocking some great inner energy and power. That it's point is in betterment of yourself and while they will claim that they are even more effective than professional fighter in terms of street combat, due to their spiritual oneness and discipline, they are in fact, incredibly ineffective due to absolutely no experience in adrenaline based situations or actual combat.
The old masters fought people constantly, including having to fight for their lives many times. That was their secret to effectiveness, their movements and training methods were tremendous helps (katas, forms, conditioning) but it was their constant experience in fighting that truly made them deadly and respected, and garnered them disciples.
True Martial Arts fighting (look at Wing Chun master Emin Bozetep taking on William Cheung. (videos of it all over youtube) two self proclaimed true Wing Chun masters. Watch what it actually looks like.
Look at the early UFC and what it actually looked like when Martial Arts masters took on each other. There have been plenty of no holds mixed martial arts (Open) tournaments going on way before then. Again it looked more like kickboxing and wrestling then what you think Martial Arts based fighting would look like.
Unfortunately the perception of Martial Arts fighting comes from Choreography, and old point fighting Karate tournaments. Actual fighting even between two Martial Arts masters looks much differently, (and more often like an untrained brawl).
I think there is something to be said about the beauty and aesthetic aspect to many traditional Martial Arts, and I am glad that some embrace that and keep that part of the culture alive. Some places are great and blending both, the traditional hard training, hard sparring, actual combat oriented, combined with forms, traditions, etc.
I think MMA is the closest embodiement to what Martial Arts actually used to be. (aside from uniform) Many Martial Arts were based on fighting with weapons, or in armor, etc. The shorts in MMA are just a means of advantage for the fighters against each other.
Older tournaments simply wore the garb of the day. Though some did indeed feature less uniforms than the others. (The Olympics in ancient time were done in the nude)
So in my opinion the beauty (aesthetic, ineffective) aspect of Martial Arts is not diminished as that caters to a different ideology, one of cultural preservation, whereas the UFC/MMA caters to unarmed combat effectiveness.
It is infact more complex and strategic than most single Martial Arts.
It all depends on your definition of Martial Arts and what they mean. To some it is the preservation of a culture, spiritual enlightenment, and adhering to certain principles of tradition. To others Martial Arts is about bettering yourself and your ability to fight, and through that you gain enlightenment of self, as well as discipline and confidence.
I think both sides have their pluses and minuses, and neither really diminish each other. But perhaps shows each side where they are lacking.
MMA/UFC types shows many other arts what they are lacking combat wise.
Traditional MA shows what the UFC/MMA types are lacking in Spiritually, Centered, and Calmness side.
Some people are lucky enough to have both.
*edit* Sorry I know I already wrote a book. Yupagee will probably get best answer for agreeing with you, but he is a traditionalist. Disregard below, as it is strictly for Yupagee's answer.
There is a hundred times more discipline and respect in the average MMA fighter than there is in 90 percent of traditional Martial Artists in America.
These guys wake up at the crack of dawn, and train until after dark. The eat a regimented diet, live a regimented lifestyle. And aside from a few pros, do it for very little money. They run, lift weights, work on technique, work on technique some more, work with a variety of disciplines and coaches. (Almost all of them are cross training with a boxing coach, a muay thai coach, a brazilian jujitsu coach, etc) They are cramming in two or three times the discipline, not to mention the respect they have for each other and coaches.
Can't tell you how many power hungry disrespectful 14 year old black belts I have seen in Traditional Arts. Or how many damn disrespectful punk kids I have seen in tournaments. For that matter, I have seen and see in great abundance here in Yahoo answers, 30 and 40 year old black belt traditional Martial Artists that are disrespectful to any other art than their own. Or any art that actually engages in combat.
Saying MMA lacks discipline or respect is ignorant of the fighters, the sport, and what it actually encompasses. You train one art, 3 days a week. They train 3 or 4 arts six or seven times a week. They bow to many Senseis, and treat each other with respect. Not to mention the average McDojo traditional teacher probably makes more than 80 percent of the MMA fighters. Aside from a few big names, most pull in maybe 20 grand from fighting,(10 grand for a UFC pro undercard fight, and get to do that maybe twice a year) and they have to beg for sponsorship.
One thing a MMA fighter does have in truckloads in discipline and respect. Something I see lacking in many traditional schools full of fat white "Masters" who insist on being called Sensei, Sempai, or Master even outside of the dojo. Who demand respect but do little to earn it.
I always respect your opinion Yupagee, but saying they lack discipline and respect is pretty damn ignorant.
Reply:Beauty, if you mean traditional bs that dosen't work. IF that is how you define beauty then yes.
MMA has show all the "traditional" martial artist how ineffective there styles are in real combat. That upsets most and they defend it by crying about how mma isn't a martial art or how it lacks spiritualness or what ever. In reality it has show you that tradition is weak and worthless in the streets, plain and simple.
Reply:I agree 110%. MMA lacks the discipline %26amp; respect of any true Martial Art.
Reply:No it just points out weaknesses of differnet martial arts.
Do you think MMA fighters/ UFC destroy the beauty of martial arts?
I don't think that MMA fighters make MAs look bad at all. If anything, MMAs makes it look real and aplicable. It's beautiful in it's own right. And you're right, it doesn't look exactally like it does in movies, but that's what those are, movies. In movie the fights are coreographed like a musical coreographs a song and dance routine in the movie or on stage. The reason why in a MMA fight, the fighters are hald naked, is that it allows a more even playing field and less things for an opponent to grab on to. What do you think MA arts were originally? do you think the just got together to dance? I'm sure it would look just as pretty as a MMA fight with it's own respectable differences. It wouldn't be like your pretty movie dancing. That's why there are different schools that focus on different aspects of MAs. People have different tasts. you see to guys rolling around on the ground beating each other. I see a martial arsts trying to obtain a mount by bypassing his opponents guard and obtain a dominant possition. At the same time, trying not to allow the guy on the bottom sweep him and take his possition on top. You see a couple guys on the ground holding hands. I see a fighter trying for an armbar or a kumorah while the other is trying to counter and get a rear nake choke. You see to guys hgging on the fence. I see 2 martail artist in the clinch trying for a take down while giving knee and elbow strikes to eachother. Just like point fighting, just like in the movies, etc there is an art to fighting and it's just as beautiful as any other application of martail arts. Just like watching Chuck Liddell give a left to Rampages ribs while Rampage counters with a heavy right to Chuck's left jaw. I'm sorry it happend to Chuck, but to me....that was beautiful.
Reply:Not really.
I view MMA fighters and UFC as something entirely different and seperate from traditional martial arts.
Reply:I understand your point, but it is more realistic then point fighting.
Reply:To be quite honest - yes. When watching UFC and MMA fights, that's what they look like, fights. There is no "style" to speak of. I'd rather watch karate vs. tkd, or judo, or whatever, like UFC was in the beginning.
Reply:I do not think it destroys the beauty, I think it actually makes you appeciate different styles and beauty involved in other martial arts. I understand your point but I just feel like once you watch the UFC and then you watch someone doing karate you appreciate the beauty more because you can see how complex, wide ranging and diverse martial arts really are and what its all about. I think someone who truly cares about martial arts will look at both and see beauty in all aspects of ma. I love to watch MMA, I am a huge fan and watch as much as possible but I also get great pleasure out of watching traditional martial arts in practice as well, their is beauty in all aspects of the game.
Reply:Well my friend, you will get varied opinions about all this, but here is what it comes down to.
Aside from a few Martial Arts (mainly forms of Shaolin Kung Fu), Martial Arts weren't meant for beauty or their aesthetic value. They were meant for fighting.
Most of the outfits you associate Martial Arts with came as a tradition (the Gi, as originally based off the Kimono) or traditional dress at the time of the Art's foundation.
Many forms of Kung Fu were meant as a means towards spiritual enlightenment, focus, effeciency of motion and breath, and tuning your body for oneness. Even those were not meant to be beautiful, but were meant to draw in and center yourself while disciplining yourself mentally, spiritually, and physically.
While maintaining the tradition of these arts is something I think needs to occur. (Someone needs to maintain this culture, as it was wonderous and fascinating) I again feel the need to stress that Martial Arts were meant for fighting. Which in itself is not beautiful.
Sadly, when people think of Martial Arts fighting (especially outsiders) they think of the movies. Choreographed movements that are not only ineffecient but done so to look better. (Honestly, martial arts fight choreography is an artform in itself).
Martial Arts were based in violence, ugly, brutal violence. The ugly way you think of MMA fighters, is good in some ways. Because that is what fighting is, damn ugly.
Most athletes in some sense look the same, (i.e. in shape).
Fighting is ugly.
I think that is something you are seeing, Martial Arts aren't meant for aesthetics, it just so happens many of the traditional Martial Arts appear that way. The Katas and Forms and the like. (Keep in mind, Kata and Forms are not meant for fighting, they are meant to prepare and condition your body for those movements in a fight) So yes, kicking the air looks beautiful as someone does it with grace and balance. Kicking someone in the head usually isn't quite a pretty.
As I said, I don't think the culture of these traditional martial arts should be lost. (Much the same as there are still katas, and even JJ based Katas in Judo, that one learns at the highest levels). However effectiveness in combat requires ugly brutality, and blood, sweat, and tears. Martial Arts are meant to be combat effective, not aesthetic.
I think there are traditional schools that are in the strictest sense traditional (i.e. hard sparring, hard body conditioning, actually fighting).
Then there are traditional schools that embrace a different side of what they feel is traditional, and adhere to the more friendly aesthetically pleasing, kid friendly, money making way. And try to further sell the mysticism sometimes associated with martial arts.
The public perception, and even the perception of many Martial Artists who embraced this mentality of Asianophile mystic type of tradition is that Martial Arts are the key to unlocking some great inner energy and power. That it's point is in betterment of yourself and while they will claim that they are even more effective than professional fighter in terms of street combat, due to their spiritual oneness and discipline, they are in fact, incredibly ineffective due to absolutely no experience in adrenaline based situations or actual combat.
The old masters fought people constantly, including having to fight for their lives many times. That was their secret to effectiveness, their movements and training methods were tremendous helps (katas, forms, conditioning) but it was their constant experience in fighting that truly made them deadly and respected, and garnered them disciples.
True Martial Arts fighting (look at Wing Chun master Emin Bozetep taking on William Cheung. (videos of it all over youtube) two self proclaimed true Wing Chun masters. Watch what it actually looks like.
Look at the early UFC and what it actually looked like when Martial Arts masters took on each other. There have been plenty of no holds mixed martial arts (Open) tournaments going on way before then. Again it looked more like kickboxing and wrestling then what you think Martial Arts based fighting would look like.
Unfortunately the perception of Martial Arts fighting comes from Choreography, and old point fighting Karate tournaments. Actual fighting even between two Martial Arts masters looks much differently, (and more often like an untrained brawl).
I think there is something to be said about the beauty and aesthetic aspect to many traditional Martial Arts, and I am glad that some embrace that and keep that part of the culture alive. Some places are great and blending both, the traditional hard training, hard sparring, actual combat oriented, combined with forms, traditions, etc.
I think MMA is the closest embodiement to what Martial Arts actually used to be. (aside from uniform) Many Martial Arts were based on fighting with weapons, or in armor, etc. The shorts in MMA are just a means of advantage for the fighters against each other.
Older tournaments simply wore the garb of the day. Though some did indeed feature less uniforms than the others. (The Olympics in ancient time were done in the nude)
So in my opinion the beauty (aesthetic, ineffective) aspect of Martial Arts is not diminished as that caters to a different ideology, one of cultural preservation, whereas the UFC/MMA caters to unarmed combat effectiveness.
It is infact more complex and strategic than most single Martial Arts.
It all depends on your definition of Martial Arts and what they mean. To some it is the preservation of a culture, spiritual enlightenment, and adhering to certain principles of tradition. To others Martial Arts is about bettering yourself and your ability to fight, and through that you gain enlightenment of self, as well as discipline and confidence.
I think both sides have their pluses and minuses, and neither really diminish each other. But perhaps shows each side where they are lacking.
MMA/UFC types shows many other arts what they are lacking combat wise.
Traditional MA shows what the UFC/MMA types are lacking in Spiritually, Centered, and Calmness side.
Some people are lucky enough to have both.
*edit* Sorry I know I already wrote a book. Yupagee will probably get best answer for agreeing with you, but he is a traditionalist. Disregard below, as it is strictly for Yupagee's answer.
There is a hundred times more discipline and respect in the average MMA fighter than there is in 90 percent of traditional Martial Artists in America.
These guys wake up at the crack of dawn, and train until after dark. The eat a regimented diet, live a regimented lifestyle. And aside from a few pros, do it for very little money. They run, lift weights, work on technique, work on technique some more, work with a variety of disciplines and coaches. (Almost all of them are cross training with a boxing coach, a muay thai coach, a brazilian jujitsu coach, etc) They are cramming in two or three times the discipline, not to mention the respect they have for each other and coaches.
Can't tell you how many power hungry disrespectful 14 year old black belts I have seen in Traditional Arts. Or how many damn disrespectful punk kids I have seen in tournaments. For that matter, I have seen and see in great abundance here in Yahoo answers, 30 and 40 year old black belt traditional Martial Artists that are disrespectful to any other art than their own. Or any art that actually engages in combat.
Saying MMA lacks discipline or respect is ignorant of the fighters, the sport, and what it actually encompasses. You train one art, 3 days a week. They train 3 or 4 arts six or seven times a week. They bow to many Senseis, and treat each other with respect. Not to mention the average McDojo traditional teacher probably makes more than 80 percent of the MMA fighters. Aside from a few big names, most pull in maybe 20 grand from fighting,(10 grand for a UFC pro undercard fight, and get to do that maybe twice a year) and they have to beg for sponsorship.
One thing a MMA fighter does have in truckloads in discipline and respect. Something I see lacking in many traditional schools full of fat white "Masters" who insist on being called Sensei, Sempai, or Master even outside of the dojo. Who demand respect but do little to earn it.
I always respect your opinion Yupagee, but saying they lack discipline and respect is pretty damn ignorant.
Reply:Beauty, if you mean traditional bs that dosen't work. IF that is how you define beauty then yes.
MMA has show all the "traditional" martial artist how ineffective there styles are in real combat. That upsets most and they defend it by crying about how mma isn't a martial art or how it lacks spiritualness or what ever. In reality it has show you that tradition is weak and worthless in the streets, plain and simple.
Reply:I agree 110%. MMA lacks the discipline %26amp; respect of any true Martial Art.
Reply:No it just points out weaknesses of differnet martial arts.
Traning at home help?
I used to train evryday for at least 2-3 hours in my backyard and it was really good. Now my parents moved to a damn apartment where ther is no backyard. I use to practice lots of bagua/Xin yi , meditation, Sil Lum tao a wing chun form that was good for balance and body structure. As well as strectching, punching, kicking and push ups. Now that im the apartment, I cant really do all these things, all I do now is external exercise, leg raises for abs and push ups, thats it, i have no more will to do all the others epacialy the internal arts because it doesnt look ghood doing it at home on the carpet. What can i do to regain will to train at home? Or is it all useless? because i used to do it outdoor near the trees and stuff. Is it useless to practice internal arts indoor at home? because my cousin told me about doin meditation outdoor on real grass helps you develop more strenght because you bring up power from the ground. Briefly what can i do that works equally indoor/outdoor? behones
Traning at home help?
Ok I will give this a shot for you.
Sometime when you are forced to train yourself in an environment that is hostile to what you normally need I can think of a few things that may help sooth the transition.
First MUSIC: Use music, esp sounds of the outdoors and nature or what you are used to hearing when you work out, that sound setting can help your mind get into the imaginary setting that you will need to obtain to succeed.
Second Images: Cover your walls with images of a locale or setting that is friendly rather than negative to your training. That is what is unique about human beings over other animals. We can adapt our surrounding to us and our needs.
That is what you need to do, best duplicate the sight, sound and smell of your former atmosphere and when you can esp in good weather, go to a wooded area if their is one and train there alone, or find one or two others whom have a geat training place and work with them.
good luck hope this helps some.
Reply:well...you cans till dreaw strength from the Earth, although this may take more willpower than going outside.
For training indoors, it helps to clear some of the furniture and arrange things in a way that make you feel comfortable.
Other things that can contribute to an increase in your comfort is music, decorations, scented oils, etc. (practice Fueng Shui)
The only thing that may hinder your indoor practice is the people that live with you or in the smae building.
I myself had hell trying to practice meditation and energy techniques for shaolin and ki-aikido because of the lifestyles of family/room mates.
If this is an issue, that scout out a location in or near your building that would contribute positively to your practice. Sometimes going to the roof or basement helps, or a nearby park.
This is assuming, of course, that you are allowed the freedom to do such. It is still possible to practice the internal arts with dedication, even if the environment works against your development.
Good luck. I hope this helps you
PS It helps if you don't attract attention to yourself while you practice.
Reply:I know the feeling that you are having. I think that it has more to do with not feeling like the area that you have to train in is a training area any more. Also you may find that you are forcing yourself to train when you are not really in the mood which is going to attach a negative feeling to your training and make you want to train even less.
My advice is if you prefer training in the outdoors then go find yourself a park or if that's too public then you'll have to modify your surroundings at home.
For Ba Gua I recomend getting a big mat with a Yin Yang symbol on it to practice walking the circle, this is how it is supposed to be done to an extent anyway and it makes it feel cool whilst you do it, if this works then flow from that straight into other forms and flow into harder workouts, this will ease you into the right train of though and eventually you will associate the mat as your new training space and this has the benefit of being portable so you won't ever have to go through this again.... Next problem, getting a mat lol... I have one, my mum made it lol, you can't have mine though ;-)
Another great Ba Gua training idea is to get bricks and practice walking the circle on these, check out this pic http://www.egreenway.com/vsjournal/image...
Realistically with internal forms it shouldn't matter where you are, it will be harder for you to focus but in turn this can potentially help your focus.
Good luck dude.
Reply:Why oh why are you limiting yourself?
If you are serious about practicing then don't let yourself be influenced by issues as mundane as available space. Of course you can practice... Your state of mind makes it so - or not!
Accept the decision of your parents in their move to an apartment, clarify your circumstance and get on with it - stop dilli-dallying!
Traning at home help?
Ok I will give this a shot for you.
Sometime when you are forced to train yourself in an environment that is hostile to what you normally need I can think of a few things that may help sooth the transition.
First MUSIC: Use music, esp sounds of the outdoors and nature or what you are used to hearing when you work out, that sound setting can help your mind get into the imaginary setting that you will need to obtain to succeed.
Second Images: Cover your walls with images of a locale or setting that is friendly rather than negative to your training. That is what is unique about human beings over other animals. We can adapt our surrounding to us and our needs.
That is what you need to do, best duplicate the sight, sound and smell of your former atmosphere and when you can esp in good weather, go to a wooded area if their is one and train there alone, or find one or two others whom have a geat training place and work with them.
good luck hope this helps some.
Reply:well...you cans till dreaw strength from the Earth, although this may take more willpower than going outside.
For training indoors, it helps to clear some of the furniture and arrange things in a way that make you feel comfortable.
Other things that can contribute to an increase in your comfort is music, decorations, scented oils, etc. (practice Fueng Shui)
The only thing that may hinder your indoor practice is the people that live with you or in the smae building.
I myself had hell trying to practice meditation and energy techniques for shaolin and ki-aikido because of the lifestyles of family/room mates.
If this is an issue, that scout out a location in or near your building that would contribute positively to your practice. Sometimes going to the roof or basement helps, or a nearby park.
This is assuming, of course, that you are allowed the freedom to do such. It is still possible to practice the internal arts with dedication, even if the environment works against your development.
Good luck. I hope this helps you
PS It helps if you don't attract attention to yourself while you practice.
Reply:I know the feeling that you are having. I think that it has more to do with not feeling like the area that you have to train in is a training area any more. Also you may find that you are forcing yourself to train when you are not really in the mood which is going to attach a negative feeling to your training and make you want to train even less.
My advice is if you prefer training in the outdoors then go find yourself a park or if that's too public then you'll have to modify your surroundings at home.
For Ba Gua I recomend getting a big mat with a Yin Yang symbol on it to practice walking the circle, this is how it is supposed to be done to an extent anyway and it makes it feel cool whilst you do it, if this works then flow from that straight into other forms and flow into harder workouts, this will ease you into the right train of though and eventually you will associate the mat as your new training space and this has the benefit of being portable so you won't ever have to go through this again.... Next problem, getting a mat lol... I have one, my mum made it lol, you can't have mine though ;-)
Another great Ba Gua training idea is to get bricks and practice walking the circle on these, check out this pic http://www.egreenway.com/vsjournal/image...
Realistically with internal forms it shouldn't matter where you are, it will be harder for you to focus but in turn this can potentially help your focus.
Good luck dude.
Reply:Why oh why are you limiting yourself?
If you are serious about practicing then don't let yourself be influenced by issues as mundane as available space. Of course you can practice... Your state of mind makes it so - or not!
Accept the decision of your parents in their move to an apartment, clarify your circumstance and get on with it - stop dilli-dallying!
To all you Bruce Lee nut-huggers: Lets take a quiz about him.?
It has come to my attention that there are a number of people on Yahoo Answers with thier fingers and mouths firmly clenched around bruce lee's balls, as such I have devised a little quiz for you to test your knowledge on your so called "martial arts god's" life. You may cheat, but remember, if you do, you are only proving to yourself how little you know about the man you act like you perform oral sex on on a regular basis. I am not looking for a "bruce lee rules" or a bruce lee bashing thread, just give factual answers to the questions.
1- Who was bruce lee's ACTUAL Wing Chun teacher?
(the man who actually taught him techniques)
2- How long did he train under him?
3- What was the first movie he appeared in?
4- what was the first martial art bruce lee learned
5- what is bruce lee's professional or amateur fight record?
6- who did bruce lee admit would kick his butt?
7- who did he admit it to?
To all you Bruce Lee nut-huggers: Lets take a quiz about him.?
Bluto you are too damn funny. If I change my name to bruce, can I have nut huggers to??
Reply:1.Yippie
2.3-4 yrs.
3.when he was a baby playing a female role.
4.Wing Chun then Cha Cha
5.dont any cuz he'd never fought inside da ring
6.not sure
7.not sure
8.G.O.D
9.philosphy
10.Jack Wong Report It
Reply:bottomline,bruce lee was the greatest ACTOR because he'd decieved all ya for believing that he was the greatest fighter who had never fought a professional bout. Report It
Reply:Im glad someone is challenging people to understand the person that they idolize. Bruce never fought in a professional ring, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a real fighter. As a teenager, He used to carry a toilet chain and get into fights often! He was also the1958 hong kong Cha cha champion Report It
Reply:nycposer everywhere i've seen you is like you always tryin to diss bruce lee. don't hate the man because hes better then u are. Report It
Reply:1- Who was bruce lee's ACTUAL Wing Chun teacher?
Yip Man
2- How long did he train under him?
1.5 years
3- What was the first movie he appeared in?
little boy called Chang
4- what was the first martial art bruce lee learned
tai chi from his father, the boxing from his PE teacher
5- what is bruce lee's professional or amateur fight record?
not understand your question
6- who did bruce lee admit would kick his butt?
not understand your question
7- who did he admit it to?
not understand your question
Reply:dude i dont know the answer to any of these but i thought it was TOOOOOOO funny with the whole "It has come to my attention that there are a number of people on Yahoo Answers with thier fingers and mouths firmly clenched around bruce lee's balls," and the
"You may cheat, but remember, if you do, you are only proving to yourself how little you know about the man you act like you perform oral sex on on a regular basis"
i dont care man thets funny
Reply:ok so um... if you have respect for bruce lee suddenly you give him oral sex. From all your posts you seem like a very angry person
O ya and I only new like one or two of these
Reply:1- Who was bruce lee's ACTUAL Wing Chun teacher?
(the man who actually taught him techniques)
-Chuck Norris. Since he invented martial arts and actually the air we all breathe... that was a simple question.
2- How long did he train under him?
-Not long. Chuck Norris doesn't allow anyone to train under him for very long. Do you know how heavy he is? Could you imagine trying to train directly under Chuck Norris.... he is at least 200lbs.... have you ever tried to train with 200lbs on top of you?
3- What was the first movie he appeared in?
- His first movie was To Wan Fu thanks for everything Julie Newmar. Where he along the other cross dressers, fixed a town from being controlled by thugs. It was his finest work. Patrick Swazie took the job as soon as he knew Bruce was on board.
4- what was the first martial art bruce lee learned
- The first martial art Bruce learned was Original Traditional Taekwondo, which we all know is over 4,000 years old and was an ORIGINAL ART... not a bastardization of karate that has been around for no more than 60 years, and originated in Japan but Korea claims its their own.... no.... not that one...
5- what is bruce lee's professional or amateur fight record?
- He has never lost a fight. Some say he lost to Chuck Norris, but in actuality, Chuck gave up because they were friends and Chuck didnt want to destroy him with the balls of furry move.
6- who did bruce lee admit would kick his butt?
- Sanjia from the current season of American Idol. He knew of the power in his voice and his charm! He knew that he could stand no chance against an american idol contestant.
7- who did he admit it to?
- Me... the brother and I do lunch from time to time. Down at this crazy taco join in Philly.
Reply:LMAO! I love the fact how all of those Bruce Lee nuts huggers aren't coming out to defend him. I guess they're afraid they'd look like a sheep if they dare to try defend him without knowing a thing.
Reply:1- William Cheung
2- 18 months approximately.
3- Golden Gate Girl (1940)
4- Tai chi
5- No pro record / "amateur" record is 2 wins 1 draw 0 losses.
6- Muhammed Ali.
7- The producer of enter the dragon. ( not too sure )
8- Game of Death
9- Philosophy
10- I don't remember his name. Both claimed to have won though.
I'm just a fan, not a testicle clamp. hahahahaha !!!
Good point about how some people idolize him.
flowers funeral
1- Who was bruce lee's ACTUAL Wing Chun teacher?
(the man who actually taught him techniques)
2- How long did he train under him?
3- What was the first movie he appeared in?
4- what was the first martial art bruce lee learned
5- what is bruce lee's professional or amateur fight record?
6- who did bruce lee admit would kick his butt?
7- who did he admit it to?
To all you Bruce Lee nut-huggers: Lets take a quiz about him.?
Bluto you are too damn funny. If I change my name to bruce, can I have nut huggers to??
Reply:1.Yippie
2.3-4 yrs.
3.when he was a baby playing a female role.
4.Wing Chun then Cha Cha
5.dont any cuz he'd never fought inside da ring
6.not sure
7.not sure
8.G.O.D
9.philosphy
10.Jack Wong Report It
Reply:bottomline,bruce lee was the greatest ACTOR because he'd decieved all ya for believing that he was the greatest fighter who had never fought a professional bout. Report It
Reply:Im glad someone is challenging people to understand the person that they idolize. Bruce never fought in a professional ring, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a real fighter. As a teenager, He used to carry a toilet chain and get into fights often! He was also the1958 hong kong Cha cha champion Report It
Reply:nycposer everywhere i've seen you is like you always tryin to diss bruce lee. don't hate the man because hes better then u are. Report It
Reply:1- Who was bruce lee's ACTUAL Wing Chun teacher?
Yip Man
2- How long did he train under him?
1.5 years
3- What was the first movie he appeared in?
little boy called Chang
4- what was the first martial art bruce lee learned
tai chi from his father, the boxing from his PE teacher
5- what is bruce lee's professional or amateur fight record?
not understand your question
6- who did bruce lee admit would kick his butt?
not understand your question
7- who did he admit it to?
not understand your question
Reply:dude i dont know the answer to any of these but i thought it was TOOOOOOO funny with the whole "It has come to my attention that there are a number of people on Yahoo Answers with thier fingers and mouths firmly clenched around bruce lee's balls," and the
"You may cheat, but remember, if you do, you are only proving to yourself how little you know about the man you act like you perform oral sex on on a regular basis"
i dont care man thets funny
Reply:ok so um... if you have respect for bruce lee suddenly you give him oral sex. From all your posts you seem like a very angry person
O ya and I only new like one or two of these
Reply:1- Who was bruce lee's ACTUAL Wing Chun teacher?
(the man who actually taught him techniques)
-Chuck Norris. Since he invented martial arts and actually the air we all breathe... that was a simple question.
2- How long did he train under him?
-Not long. Chuck Norris doesn't allow anyone to train under him for very long. Do you know how heavy he is? Could you imagine trying to train directly under Chuck Norris.... he is at least 200lbs.... have you ever tried to train with 200lbs on top of you?
3- What was the first movie he appeared in?
- His first movie was To Wan Fu thanks for everything Julie Newmar. Where he along the other cross dressers, fixed a town from being controlled by thugs. It was his finest work. Patrick Swazie took the job as soon as he knew Bruce was on board.
4- what was the first martial art bruce lee learned
- The first martial art Bruce learned was Original Traditional Taekwondo, which we all know is over 4,000 years old and was an ORIGINAL ART... not a bastardization of karate that has been around for no more than 60 years, and originated in Japan but Korea claims its their own.... no.... not that one...
5- what is bruce lee's professional or amateur fight record?
- He has never lost a fight. Some say he lost to Chuck Norris, but in actuality, Chuck gave up because they were friends and Chuck didnt want to destroy him with the balls of furry move.
6- who did bruce lee admit would kick his butt?
- Sanjia from the current season of American Idol. He knew of the power in his voice and his charm! He knew that he could stand no chance against an american idol contestant.
7- who did he admit it to?
- Me... the brother and I do lunch from time to time. Down at this crazy taco join in Philly.
Reply:LMAO! I love the fact how all of those Bruce Lee nuts huggers aren't coming out to defend him. I guess they're afraid they'd look like a sheep if they dare to try defend him without knowing a thing.
Reply:1- William Cheung
2- 18 months approximately.
3- Golden Gate Girl (1940)
4- Tai chi
5- No pro record / "amateur" record is 2 wins 1 draw 0 losses.
6- Muhammed Ali.
7- The producer of enter the dragon. ( not too sure )
8- Game of Death
9- Philosophy
10- I don't remember his name. Both claimed to have won though.
I'm just a fan, not a testicle clamp. hahahahaha !!!
Good point about how some people idolize him.
flowers funeral
San Soo kung fu?
I have been training in San Soo kung fu for quite a while.
I know that it is a style, but i dont consider it beein a style.
For me it is the best/natural way to fight.
All the moves and technique has a proper way to do it, using the strenghts and weaknesees of the human body, proper hip/body movement etc. It is a pure thinking art, there is also a little bit of wing chun in it, but it has more.
It is not limited at all.
What I am about to say will offend alot of people, and they will start posting insults, but i dont care, to me this art is THE Best art *at least for stand up fighting* that there is around, there is nothing missing to this art.
I wish that people would stop thinking that beeing able to break 10 briks or kick super high is what makes you a good martial artist, that is why people lacks alot of technique and smarts when fighting.
If there is San Soo practicioners viewing this, do you agree with this statement?
San Soo kung fu?
Where do you get that being able to break 10 bricks or kick super high is what most people think makes a good martial artist and that "that is why people lacks alot of technique and smarts when fighting"? It seems to me that you have a good lot more presuppositions than you think and what you think of your martial art is not unique.
Reply:It depends on what you are refering to when you say that it is "the best/natural way to fight". If you are talking about from a Martial Arts perspective I would have to argue that no martial arts is better than the next.
If you are talking about for a street altercation I would have to question how practical San Soo Kung Fu is for the streets since I do not know much about San Soo Kung Fu.
How good is San Soo when involved in a self-defense situation?
Reply:If you consider your style to be the BEST, then lucky for you that you're doing it ;-)
You'll tend to find that everyone thinks that their own style is the best, and it is... Whatever you have trained the most in is going to work the best for you.
The only thing that really concerns me is that you say it is the best for stand up fighting, implying that it is no good at grappling range. I submit to you that if you're style can not counter a grappler on the ground then it is incomplete or you need to look closer at your techniques to figure out how to apply them on the ground. All good systems will teach ground fighting it's not a new thing. I train Wing Chun Kung Fu and it has ground fighting in it, both in the traditional sense where one uses kicks to keep the opponent at bay and regain your feet and a more anti wrestling thing where you use your chi sao skills which are totally transferrable to the ground and work quite well.
Reply:I do not practice san soo but I have watched its practitioners.
To me it seems to be a very practical art, without all the flashy moves of other kung fu styles. I've watched the san soo matches also, I can say they are very exciting. It reminds me of muay thai, except that it has better hand techniques, in my opinion.
Reply:lol Arrogance. There is no one best martial art. Mine is not better than yours, and yours isn't better from that guy's style down the street.
And you'll notice I never put San Soo down once.
From what I've seen of San Soo it looks good, but I'm just wondering where you got the thinking about the 10 bricks and kicking really high?
But no matter, you have much to learn in humility. Thanks for the 2 points.
Reply:Everyone thinks there martial art is the best. I think mine is!
Reply:What's interesting is that the school closest to me focus more on grappling then anything else. It is a San Soo Kung Fu school but they enter grappling tournaments and their fighters are very good on the ground. The instructor from what I'm told actually was trained in Jujitsu then earned his black belt in San soo Kung Fu. I believe it is a style that uses all things.
Sounds really cool from what I've heard.
Oh one last thing I don't buy into people trying to say all styles are equal. There is a best way to punch and either a style teaches it or not. If a style doesn't teach the best way to do soemething it isn't the best. I don't know enough about San Soo to say if they teach the best method but there is a best method out there.
Reply:Hmmm, I would spar you to see how versital this is and how good it works. If it works better than it just works better. that's life. But, never really know until you try.
I know that it is a style, but i dont consider it beein a style.
For me it is the best/natural way to fight.
All the moves and technique has a proper way to do it, using the strenghts and weaknesees of the human body, proper hip/body movement etc. It is a pure thinking art, there is also a little bit of wing chun in it, but it has more.
It is not limited at all.
What I am about to say will offend alot of people, and they will start posting insults, but i dont care, to me this art is THE Best art *at least for stand up fighting* that there is around, there is nothing missing to this art.
I wish that people would stop thinking that beeing able to break 10 briks or kick super high is what makes you a good martial artist, that is why people lacks alot of technique and smarts when fighting.
If there is San Soo practicioners viewing this, do you agree with this statement?
San Soo kung fu?
Where do you get that being able to break 10 bricks or kick super high is what most people think makes a good martial artist and that "that is why people lacks alot of technique and smarts when fighting"? It seems to me that you have a good lot more presuppositions than you think and what you think of your martial art is not unique.
Reply:It depends on what you are refering to when you say that it is "the best/natural way to fight". If you are talking about from a Martial Arts perspective I would have to argue that no martial arts is better than the next.
If you are talking about for a street altercation I would have to question how practical San Soo Kung Fu is for the streets since I do not know much about San Soo Kung Fu.
How good is San Soo when involved in a self-defense situation?
Reply:If you consider your style to be the BEST, then lucky for you that you're doing it ;-)
You'll tend to find that everyone thinks that their own style is the best, and it is... Whatever you have trained the most in is going to work the best for you.
The only thing that really concerns me is that you say it is the best for stand up fighting, implying that it is no good at grappling range. I submit to you that if you're style can not counter a grappler on the ground then it is incomplete or you need to look closer at your techniques to figure out how to apply them on the ground. All good systems will teach ground fighting it's not a new thing. I train Wing Chun Kung Fu and it has ground fighting in it, both in the traditional sense where one uses kicks to keep the opponent at bay and regain your feet and a more anti wrestling thing where you use your chi sao skills which are totally transferrable to the ground and work quite well.
Reply:I do not practice san soo but I have watched its practitioners.
To me it seems to be a very practical art, without all the flashy moves of other kung fu styles. I've watched the san soo matches also, I can say they are very exciting. It reminds me of muay thai, except that it has better hand techniques, in my opinion.
Reply:lol Arrogance. There is no one best martial art. Mine is not better than yours, and yours isn't better from that guy's style down the street.
And you'll notice I never put San Soo down once.
From what I've seen of San Soo it looks good, but I'm just wondering where you got the thinking about the 10 bricks and kicking really high?
But no matter, you have much to learn in humility. Thanks for the 2 points.
Reply:Everyone thinks there martial art is the best. I think mine is!
Reply:What's interesting is that the school closest to me focus more on grappling then anything else. It is a San Soo Kung Fu school but they enter grappling tournaments and their fighters are very good on the ground. The instructor from what I'm told actually was trained in Jujitsu then earned his black belt in San soo Kung Fu. I believe it is a style that uses all things.
Sounds really cool from what I've heard.
Oh one last thing I don't buy into people trying to say all styles are equal. There is a best way to punch and either a style teaches it or not. If a style doesn't teach the best way to do soemething it isn't the best. I don't know enough about San Soo to say if they teach the best method but there is a best method out there.
Reply:Hmmm, I would spar you to see how versital this is and how good it works. If it works better than it just works better. that's life. But, never really know until you try.
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