How are kung fu and karte related?

I know that kung fu originated in the Shaolin temple in Canton China and that karate in Okinowa. I heard that kung fu was first and that all the karates are a derivation. i am currently learning Wing Chun kung fu and had Shorin Rye karate in the past. And boy are they different.

How are kung fu and karte related?
http://www.easthillskungfu.com/history.h...


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At first, fighting was an individual matter, performed in a disorganized fashion, without art. As Chinese keep their knowledge of the art much to themselves, the exact details of its' origin and development are very obscure. Between 3,000 and 4,000 years ago, Chinese monks, within the confines of their monastery, created and organized a system of hand to hand fighting. Thus, Kung-Fu San Soo evolved as the first system of hand to hand combat.





About 400 years ago, this system was introduced to Okinawa (where it was adapted and became known as (Okinawa-Te) and in many other parts of the far east. it underwent a radical change, intermingling with circular motions such as those found in southern china (Num Pi) -- to hard forms consisting of theatrical postures and poses as seen more frequently in the art today. The old system underwent yet another change when it moved to Japan about 1917 and adapted itself to Japanese culture and personality.
Reply:kung fu was adapted to suit okinawan needs and outlook .unless you are studying white crane or mantis kung fu you will see little resemblance between the 2 .


okinawan karate was also influenced in some part by SIAM (THAILAND)and BURMA as CHINA BURMA and SIAM were their main trading partners and political allys long before JAPAN came on the scene.


With the JAPANESE influence and later introduction of karate to JAPAN main island more adaptions were made to suit thier needs and outlook.Advanced kata of GOJU RYU have the most kung fu influence still intact.
Reply:They share the same roots in the arts moving from west of china along with the spread of Buddhism eastward to Japan and Korea. All along the way being modified and adapted by the indigenous populations to suit there circumstances.
Reply:First understand that Okinawa had a grappling art called "ti" or hand, before the Chinese went there...





In the late 1300's there was a cultural interchange between China and Okinawa, known then as the Ryu Kyu Kingdom. They had great political and social relations.





An Envoy of 36 Families were sent to Okinawa, many of who were artisans, doctors and martial artists. The arts they brought were Fujian White Crane Fist, Black Tiger and 18 Lohan Fist, according to some accounts.





Not the complete arts were taught but more the principles and theories along with some technique.





These techniques were adopted into the kata during their formulation period, which was after the Satsuma Invasion, when the Japanese banned the practice of martial arts.





These principles, theories and techniques were incorporated into the Okinawan "ti" and that is where we get the kata of today.





There are many more details but this is the very short answer.





Addendum: U-Gene, Shorin Ryu, especially Matsubayashi and Matsumura Seito has absolutely nothing to do with Wing Chun. You must have heard the wrong thing because your teachers website shows that he is from the Old School... the correct school. The timeframe of Ng Mui's life does not coincide with the arrival of the 36 Families which was much before.
Reply:both asian
Reply:sarate actually Wing Chun is in Shorin-Ryu Karate is just that Shorin-Ryu is the complete martial arts. Wing Chun Kungfu is just one part of Shorin-Ryu. Shorin-Ryu like Shaolin have more than just one martial art. It have 2909+ martial arts in it. Shorin-Ryu is the first karate. The first three branches of karate came from Shorin-Ryu Karate because they are all taught by Sokon "Bushi" Matsumura who knew all the martial arts including all the Arts of Shaolin, Samuari, Okinawa-Te, Chinto Katas, Filipino Arts, Australian Arts. Shorin-RYu means Shaolin Way. it is the direct descendent of Shaolin. yes WIng chun kungfu is different then Shorin-Ryu because wing chun is just on system of Shorin-Ryu. Wing Chun is just the branch of Shorin-Ryu and Shaolin. Wing Chun just focus on one thing where Shorin-Ryu focus on every martial arts in the world. Karate Came from Shorin-Ryu Karate which is from Shaolin. All the karate starting Matsyasbashi Shorin-RYu was derived from Shorin-Ryu which is from Shaolin. Later after WWII the Matsumura Orthodox was taken by the minsmoto samurai clan and the y made the Matsumura orthodox into all the today's karate branches as you see today. each karate is part of the shorin-ryu they just are all modify and transform them into a new system but still part of Shorin-Ryu and Shaolin. Wing Chun is one of Shaolin Martial Arts but if you take all the Shaolin Martial Arts which will include all the 72 branches of Kungfu which wing chun is part of the shaolin kungfu branches , all the branches of Kenpo which is today modernized Rocky version of boxing, kempo the very first branch of karate, and taichi, and all the taekwondo and korean arts, and the samurai arts, and the okinawa-te (Naha, Shurie, and tomari-te) the chinto kata, all the filipino arts, and all the australian, and even every arts of today martial arts which is the total of 2909+ more martial arts which all the martial arts in the world together then Shaolin Martial Arts and Shorin-Ryu karate will be no different if you take wing chun in a complete martial art system which there are only two complete martial art system in the world which is Shorin-Ryu and Shaolin. The reason why the Shorin-Ryu Karate and WIng Chun Kungfu are different is because Shorin-Ryu Karate is a complete martial arts like shaolin and wing chun kungfu is just a single branch of the Shaolin Kungfu. If you take a complete martial art and then take and single branch martial arts then it will be different but if do a complete martial arts like Shaolin then you take another Complete Martial Arts like Shorin-Ryu karate then it will be the same. so in short karate in the complete martial arts and wingchun in the complete martial arts will be equally the same.
Reply:all martial arts startedwhen an idian monk came to the sholin temple in china. and it spread out across asia from there