I dont know a lot about MMA so maybe this is a stupid question but i dont think there are MMA fighters who use JKD, wing chun etc. Why is this.
Why are there no wing chun or kung fu practitioners in the MMA?
To be fully honest... I don't know. Reality is, there is no reason. I have a feeling that it has more to do with how the words "MMA" were created. MMA was created through the path of the UFC and PRIDE and other such full contact fighting competitions. MMA is supposed to stand for Mixed Marrtial Arts, which means a fighter takes his/her favorite techniques from ANY martial art and blends them to create a unique and personal style. However, because of organizations like the UFC whose fighters were made famous and they mostly trained in certain MA's, MMA came to stand for any mix of: Brazilian Jujitsu, Judo, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, or Boxing, with little else included. This is evident even in the way you wrote your question, you referred to "the" MMA. I think you meant to write "the UFC," but like so many, you confused the concept of personalized martial arts training (MMA) with a fighting organization (UFC). By the way, I am really tired of everyone saying that certain traditional and Chinese arts aren't applicable for streetfighting or aren't "functional." How do you think these arts were invented then? And why do you think they were invented? Have any of you TMA denouncers ever even picked up a history book? The FACT is that all Chinese martial arts were created out of a necessity for self defense. China used to be comprised of 5 separate states that were constantly at war, it is in the fires of these wars that most Chinese martial arts were forged: tested in real-time on the battle field in life or death situations. Wing Chun, Choy Li Fut, Shaolin, and WuShu were all battle tested and saved lives. There aren't any special "modern" circumstances that make them obsolete. Fighters today simply don't believe that there is any logic to a fight other than "Ug, me hit hard, me tough!" We need to be careful not to take the "art" away from martial arts. Wing Chun's centerline theory, Shaolin's internal Chi power, and Wushu's flowing motions are all Advanced Combat. These are techniques that, after having learned and long ago mastered the basics of attack and block, were created from an intimate knowledge of how the human body works and the process that fights go through. These are not techniques that any beginning fighter can just pick up and utilize, one must first build a foundation and then ascend to the higher skill level it takes to truly realize these techniques. It seems that most fighters today want to stay beginners and not truly gain any skill, only strength, speed, and stamina. We must strive to be artists of the battle field, not merely drones who do what the television tells us to do.
Happy Training.
Reply:some would say they'd get whooped because they dont train/spar realistically many things are techniques they learn in theory therefore they wouldnt know how to use it in a real fight since they lack practice, and also limit themselves by not learning ground fighting. you can look up when the gracies were trying to make a name for brazilian jiujitsu you would see them pretty easily submit or choke out kung fu, karate, kempo masters
others would say jeet kune do, wing chin etc....are self defense arts that arent bounded by rules by entering mma which has rules it would water their style down since they wouldnt be able to use some of their techniques:
just like historians say the spartans boycotted the olympics because they werent allowed to eye gouge etc...
in essence jeet kune do is mma just without rules
those are the main arguements people make for and against those styles
Reply:San Soo has a great fighter with a good track record. Kyle Olsen is as he states strickly San Soo, he has done well in MMA.
Jimi H. Woo San Soo Southern Chinese Kung Fu Wu Shu Choy Li Fut.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/Picture_gall...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEiRJywCC...
Kyle is only one of many San Soo fighters and or folks that were wise enough to add it as well to their arsenal. Hope this answers your question, as Kung Fu is in the MMA and doing well.
Reply:Because mma incorporates moves from many martial arts, so in a way it is a martial art in itself. Jeet Kune Do is considered a martial art that also incorporates moves from many martial arts, but is meant to make sure you dont have that opponent around for a rematch. If you noticed, most of the fighters dont claim to have a main martial art like in the old days when everyone was one dimensional. Ill bet most fighters have at least one move they do that was taken from kung fu, jkd, or wing chun.
Reply:There are "kung fu" fighters aplenty in MMA but formal wing chun training practices are not conducive to success in competition though you might say that vague permutations of them made it into combat sports such as boxing. JKD isn't even a martial art. It is a bunch of concepts thought up by Bruce Lee. He was very critical of wing chun in fact.
Everybody ends up with their own fighting style when it's time to throw down.
Reply:Everybody aint into Sports!
MMA has rules that u have to follow;In real combat:There Are NO Rules!
In the MMA the ONLY thing that's preventing these guys from killing each other...is the Referee.
Reply:Because MMA is the real thing.
Reply:because wing chun and kung fu are FOR THE MOST PART unrealistic and have very little fighting application. it isn't worth searching through thousands of kung fu/wing chun schools for the one that will teach you to strike effectively when the boxing club on the corner,(or anywhere) will do so just as well if not better and probably cheaper to. In addition many of the concepts and techinques in kung fu and wing chun even in those few good schools are not effective in any sort of fight(centerline anybody?)
and dont tell me any crap about techniques which are meant for the street which would be to dangerous for the ring, if you can train them in a realistic manner you wont be able to do them in a fight, and even if you could they aren't the magic bullet everyone thinks they are. eye gouges for instance, look up Gerard Gordeau vs Yuki Nakai. nakai caught gordeau in a heel hook and gordeau tried to eye gouge his way out of the submission, Nakai held on and submitted gordeau even though gordeau managed to BLIND NAKAI IN THAT EYE. so yes eye gouges can do damage, unfortuneately for the gouger you don't need to see to grapple and you will likely only piss the guy off. there is no garantee it will save you.
Reply:the rules of engagement limit the usefulness (if any to start with).
it would also be the same for special forces rambos. introduce rules that take away your styles specific techniques then you limit your ability to overcome the odds. if your key technique is to bite the balls out of the enemy, you cant use it in the fight so you then have nothing.
like a MMA guy playing chess, with chess only rules. unless he can play the game by its rules all his skill is worthless.
Reply:Because JKD, Wing Chun, and every other kung fu form, except Sanshou, won't work. Would common sense tell you that if kung fu was effective, it would be widely used? Kinda like natural selection, i.e. use and disuse.
Reply:many mma fighters have trained in traditional martial arts like kung fu and karate. I think Forrest griffen used to do kung fu.
Sunday, April 26, 2009
Taekwon-Do Versus Wing Chun/Kickboxing.?
I'm a little tired of hearing people say TKD is useless. I felt I had to come on here and boast TKD a little bit.
I recently faced a Wing Chun practioner who'd won many 'competitions' during his time of training, then again so have I. He was great at what he did, but the blocks aren't as effective as the kicks are too powerul and fast, their movement is fast, but they also move into you quite a bit, which he tells me that's their practice .. for me it just made it easier to land some hits.
As for kickboxing .. well, they seem to be quite slow in my opinion and it's easy to move in and score some hits, although be quick because their roundhouse kicks have some strength.
I've been doing TKD for 10 years now, people say it's useless. It's not .. it's just it requires a lot more dedication and practice to get good at it, so for all you TKDs out there, don't get disheartened, just train, train, train.
Taekwon-Do Versus Wing Chun/Kickboxing.?
" . . . it's just it requires a lot more dedication and practice to get good at it" . . . that's the key to any MA, not just TKD!!!
Reply:Thank you Sir.
Reply:Okay... that's not really a question, but whatever ya like.
Personally, I'd never say that TKD is useless. It's a fine "form art," and is actually just a defense-focused derivative of karate.
I'm not fond of the restrictive tournament rules in many TKD organizations (I'm looking at you, ATA), but that's just personal taste.
Every martial art has its strengths and weaknesses, and some people are more suited to certain fighting styles than others. Kickboxers can be fast and agile, but a lot of them rely on strength. Wing Chun competitors generally rely on speed and offense over tact and defense.
Personally, I like various Kung Fu forms, because I'm more suited to it (too bad I haven't taken a class in years :P). I've taken a little TKD, and I respect it the same as any other martial art.
My only complaint with your post, really, is that you almost sound like you're bragging. It's better to say "our styles are equal, but different" than to say "my style is better."
Reply:I practice TKD. I love this art even with it's limitations. Ive seen Wing Chun Masters and they seldom block like a TKD artist. They rather redirect and punch at the same time. I don't believe you were up a good representative of Wing Chun if you found it easy to get a hit in. I do find the beginners easy pray in sparing they are not used to being hit with the powerful TKD blocks this usually unnerves them a bit. Watch out though for the older skilled Wing Chun artist they will be less intimidated.
Never under rate TKD. It can be devastating in the right hands. Just look at Korean History and how they drove out the Japanese.
Reply:TKD is defenitely NOT useless. No MA is useless! Each focuses in different things and always offers you something. No matter if it is control over your body, discipline, self defence or offensive skills, you will get something form the MA.
Reply:lol! i totally agree.....i mean im a shaolin gung fu man and i went to a grappling tournament and got second place using tai chi,chin na,and san shou takedowns........its not the style its the practicioner.......unfortunatly alot of karate and TKD schools are "fake" and dont train forreal....then again so is kung fu.........if your style works for you and you train really hard..then it dosent matter.....keep it up!!!!
Reply:If you really want people to have some respect for TKD this is not the way to do it, if you talk like this the only people who will listen to you are other people who do TKD and you will probably end up makeing people who don't do it hate TKD even more
If you want to "boast" TKD enter a kickboxing or at least a Kyokushin tournament and win a few fights then get someone to record them and post them up and show us, at least go into a kyokushin type of fight where the rules actually favour TKD since you cant punch to the head but you can kick, you dont have to win just do well and post it to show us that TKD guys are as tough as they say
If you can't do well in a controled fight where the rules actually favour your style what chance do you think you have on a street?
Reply:Hey man ... it annoyed me too when I first came to this section to find out everyone bashed TKD.... I threw my fits too... I been out of TKD for 10 years... and all I read on here was Muay Thai was everything and TKD was crap.... I said fine I'll join a MT school and find out for myself... I found that MT is very effective... and so is TKD... The big blocks of TKD jus dont work against the MT round kick followed by a right cross, left hook, move in for the clinch knee to the face.... but outside of the MT round kick range... my eyes lit up and step side kick, round house, revese hook kick... and guess what.. the absorbsion or parrys taught in MT arent much good at defending those either.... choose the art you study because you enjoy it... the fact is you will never (never say never.. but ya know) face a trained MT fighter in a dark alley... If you have found a school where you like the instructor and you like the ppl you work out with... who care about some youtube video some teenager thinks proves everything to the whole world.... at first the guys in my MT school made off color comments about TKD ("It's a point based style right).. i said yeah so... but now they are changing how they sparr me (and frankly a couple of the guys there kick my ***,,,, I been out of practice for ten years.... but even in my hayday.. I dunno, these guys are good)... Dont let it get to you... but also take the time to understand different styles... if nothing else.. it will make you better at TKD... good luck
Reply:True...what people don't understand is the actual ART of martial arts. whenever martial arts is mentioned, first thing that pops into people's minds are mma. They always compare it to other martial arts. Who cares?!?! so what if someone from taekwondo loses to someone that does muay thai?!?! Can muay thai be compared to Taekwondo through its actual ART? I didn't think so. That is what people don't understand. Thank god we have someone that understands taekwondo and that it is useful...
I recently faced a Wing Chun practioner who'd won many 'competitions' during his time of training, then again so have I. He was great at what he did, but the blocks aren't as effective as the kicks are too powerul and fast, their movement is fast, but they also move into you quite a bit, which he tells me that's their practice .. for me it just made it easier to land some hits.
As for kickboxing .. well, they seem to be quite slow in my opinion and it's easy to move in and score some hits, although be quick because their roundhouse kicks have some strength.
I've been doing TKD for 10 years now, people say it's useless. It's not .. it's just it requires a lot more dedication and practice to get good at it, so for all you TKDs out there, don't get disheartened, just train, train, train.
Taekwon-Do Versus Wing Chun/Kickboxing.?
" . . . it's just it requires a lot more dedication and practice to get good at it" . . . that's the key to any MA, not just TKD!!!
Reply:Thank you Sir.
Reply:Okay... that's not really a question, but whatever ya like.
Personally, I'd never say that TKD is useless. It's a fine "form art," and is actually just a defense-focused derivative of karate.
I'm not fond of the restrictive tournament rules in many TKD organizations (I'm looking at you, ATA), but that's just personal taste.
Every martial art has its strengths and weaknesses, and some people are more suited to certain fighting styles than others. Kickboxers can be fast and agile, but a lot of them rely on strength. Wing Chun competitors generally rely on speed and offense over tact and defense.
Personally, I like various Kung Fu forms, because I'm more suited to it (too bad I haven't taken a class in years :P). I've taken a little TKD, and I respect it the same as any other martial art.
My only complaint with your post, really, is that you almost sound like you're bragging. It's better to say "our styles are equal, but different" than to say "my style is better."
Reply:I practice TKD. I love this art even with it's limitations. Ive seen Wing Chun Masters and they seldom block like a TKD artist. They rather redirect and punch at the same time. I don't believe you were up a good representative of Wing Chun if you found it easy to get a hit in. I do find the beginners easy pray in sparing they are not used to being hit with the powerful TKD blocks this usually unnerves them a bit. Watch out though for the older skilled Wing Chun artist they will be less intimidated.
Never under rate TKD. It can be devastating in the right hands. Just look at Korean History and how they drove out the Japanese.
Reply:TKD is defenitely NOT useless. No MA is useless! Each focuses in different things and always offers you something. No matter if it is control over your body, discipline, self defence or offensive skills, you will get something form the MA.
Reply:lol! i totally agree.....i mean im a shaolin gung fu man and i went to a grappling tournament and got second place using tai chi,chin na,and san shou takedowns........its not the style its the practicioner.......unfortunatly alot of karate and TKD schools are "fake" and dont train forreal....then again so is kung fu.........if your style works for you and you train really hard..then it dosent matter.....keep it up!!!!
Reply:If you really want people to have some respect for TKD this is not the way to do it, if you talk like this the only people who will listen to you are other people who do TKD and you will probably end up makeing people who don't do it hate TKD even more
If you want to "boast" TKD enter a kickboxing or at least a Kyokushin tournament and win a few fights then get someone to record them and post them up and show us, at least go into a kyokushin type of fight where the rules actually favour TKD since you cant punch to the head but you can kick, you dont have to win just do well and post it to show us that TKD guys are as tough as they say
If you can't do well in a controled fight where the rules actually favour your style what chance do you think you have on a street?
Reply:Hey man ... it annoyed me too when I first came to this section to find out everyone bashed TKD.... I threw my fits too... I been out of TKD for 10 years... and all I read on here was Muay Thai was everything and TKD was crap.... I said fine I'll join a MT school and find out for myself... I found that MT is very effective... and so is TKD... The big blocks of TKD jus dont work against the MT round kick followed by a right cross, left hook, move in for the clinch knee to the face.... but outside of the MT round kick range... my eyes lit up and step side kick, round house, revese hook kick... and guess what.. the absorbsion or parrys taught in MT arent much good at defending those either.... choose the art you study because you enjoy it... the fact is you will never (never say never.. but ya know) face a trained MT fighter in a dark alley... If you have found a school where you like the instructor and you like the ppl you work out with... who care about some youtube video some teenager thinks proves everything to the whole world.... at first the guys in my MT school made off color comments about TKD ("It's a point based style right).. i said yeah so... but now they are changing how they sparr me (and frankly a couple of the guys there kick my ***,,,, I been out of practice for ten years.... but even in my hayday.. I dunno, these guys are good)... Dont let it get to you... but also take the time to understand different styles... if nothing else.. it will make you better at TKD... good luck
Reply:True...what people don't understand is the actual ART of martial arts. whenever martial arts is mentioned, first thing that pops into people's minds are mma. They always compare it to other martial arts. Who cares?!?! so what if someone from taekwondo loses to someone that does muay thai?!?! Can muay thai be compared to Taekwondo through its actual ART? I didn't think so. That is what people don't understand. Thank god we have someone that understands taekwondo and that it is useful...
Whats the difference between Kempo and Wing Chun?
What is the difference between Kempo and Wing Chun? Is Kempo just as effective in street combat? Can Kempo be used to take down enemies as efficiently as Wing Chun? ...and do they incorporate similar techniques?
Whats the difference between Kempo and Wing Chun?
Kempo: In the West, kenpō is mostly known as a mixed style that combines a heritage in Chinese martial arts, especially Shaolin kung fu and karate (and sometimes called "Kenpo Karate"), often mixed with elements of other Japanese martial arts like jujutsu and aiki-jūjutsu. In Japan, Kempo can refer to a large number of different (and mostly unrelated) systems of martial arts, mostly stemming from families in the feudal period
Wing Chun, occasionally romanized as Ving Tsun or "Wing Tsun" (literally "spring chant" and alternatively as "forever spring", or substituted with the character for "eternal springtime") is a Chinese martial art that specializes in aggressive close-range combat.
Both arts can potentially be just as effective, and can incorporate similar techniques.
Reply:Depends on which "Kempo" you're talking about. There's Dillman's Kempo, which is more Okinawan, but with much pressure point work, there's Ed Parker's "Kenpo" which has Okinawan and Chinese Influences, but is quite American. Also, all Okinawan and Chinese martial arts can be refered to as Kempo. (Fist Law).. Even Wing Chun. Originally, it was a term that didn't describe a specific style, but open handed fighting techniques.
Whats the difference between Kempo and Wing Chun?
Kempo: In the West, kenpō is mostly known as a mixed style that combines a heritage in Chinese martial arts, especially Shaolin kung fu and karate (and sometimes called "Kenpo Karate"), often mixed with elements of other Japanese martial arts like jujutsu and aiki-jūjutsu. In Japan, Kempo can refer to a large number of different (and mostly unrelated) systems of martial arts, mostly stemming from families in the feudal period
Wing Chun, occasionally romanized as Ving Tsun or "Wing Tsun" (literally "spring chant" and alternatively as "forever spring", or substituted with the character for "eternal springtime") is a Chinese martial art that specializes in aggressive close-range combat.
Both arts can potentially be just as effective, and can incorporate similar techniques.
Reply:Depends on which "Kempo" you're talking about. There's Dillman's Kempo, which is more Okinawan, but with much pressure point work, there's Ed Parker's "Kenpo" which has Okinawan and Chinese Influences, but is quite American. Also, all Okinawan and Chinese martial arts can be refered to as Kempo. (Fist Law).. Even Wing Chun. Originally, it was a term that didn't describe a specific style, but open handed fighting techniques.
Pencak silat and Wing chun?
I'm not looking two join Pencak silat or Wing chun,
but would like to hear the opinions of anyone who studies both of theses arts are they both the best martial arts for using hands only techniques or is there other arts with as much variety regarding locking,trapping and knife work etc.
just want to know the common opinion amonst fellow martial artists.
your thoughts please.
Pencak silat and Wing chun?
Like any martial art they are good as long as the instruction transmitted is good. And like any other art out there, if the student pays too much attention to form (in other words, stress too much looking good versus being effective), they can become what Bruce Lee called a "classical mess".
These two arts are excellent in my opinion for the practical elements they can provide a practitioner. However, I would like to make a note, they both do involve feet/kicking tactics. High kicks (to targets above the waist) is not stressed and are even discouraged for strategic reasons.
Personally, I wish I had more access to instruction in these arts.
P.S. - Another art which may surprise you for practical hand and even knife methods.... Taijiquan. (This is one that definitely requires the right instruction from someone who knows what they are talking about.)
Reply:thx
Reply:i havn't done a great deal of either one but i have done the basics.personally i would prefer the weaponry and weapons defence from silat.but like i said i havnt done much of either,i have done more of the wing chun than the silat.sticky hands is good for hand/eye coordination.
PS%26gt;i do have a black balt in kali/escrima though.
Reply:I research Jeet Kune Do...along with Maphilindo Silat (Malaysian, Philippine, Indonesian), and Wing Chun. They all have something good to give/teach. There are also other trapping/locking arts like Chin-na and Small Circle Jiu-Jitsu that you can research. The best thing is to get a feel of them and see what would work best for you and your own Philosophy.
Reply:silat all the way. without a doubt silat. but then again there are many different styles of silat. some more comprehensive than other. i have yet to come across anything as effective as silat and kali. their sheer brutality is amazing.
Reply:silat is your best bet
Reply:I've practiced Wing Chun and was quite satisfied with the techniques, very practical. But know nothing about Silat, so I don't have a comparison.
Reply:both TRASH
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but would like to hear the opinions of anyone who studies both of theses arts are they both the best martial arts for using hands only techniques or is there other arts with as much variety regarding locking,trapping and knife work etc.
just want to know the common opinion amonst fellow martial artists.
your thoughts please.
Pencak silat and Wing chun?
Like any martial art they are good as long as the instruction transmitted is good. And like any other art out there, if the student pays too much attention to form (in other words, stress too much looking good versus being effective), they can become what Bruce Lee called a "classical mess".
These two arts are excellent in my opinion for the practical elements they can provide a practitioner. However, I would like to make a note, they both do involve feet/kicking tactics. High kicks (to targets above the waist) is not stressed and are even discouraged for strategic reasons.
Personally, I wish I had more access to instruction in these arts.
P.S. - Another art which may surprise you for practical hand and even knife methods.... Taijiquan. (This is one that definitely requires the right instruction from someone who knows what they are talking about.)
Reply:thx
Reply:i havn't done a great deal of either one but i have done the basics.personally i would prefer the weaponry and weapons defence from silat.but like i said i havnt done much of either,i have done more of the wing chun than the silat.sticky hands is good for hand/eye coordination.
PS%26gt;i do have a black balt in kali/escrima though.
Reply:I research Jeet Kune Do...along with Maphilindo Silat (Malaysian, Philippine, Indonesian), and Wing Chun. They all have something good to give/teach. There are also other trapping/locking arts like Chin-na and Small Circle Jiu-Jitsu that you can research. The best thing is to get a feel of them and see what would work best for you and your own Philosophy.
Reply:silat all the way. without a doubt silat. but then again there are many different styles of silat. some more comprehensive than other. i have yet to come across anything as effective as silat and kali. their sheer brutality is amazing.
Reply:silat is your best bet
Reply:I've practiced Wing Chun and was quite satisfied with the techniques, very practical. But know nothing about Silat, so I don't have a comparison.
Reply:both TRASH
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Bushidokan VS. Wing Chun Best style for street?
hey guys this is trent and i was wondering if anyone out there has trained in both bushidokan (bk) and wing chun (wc). If so please tell me what is the best one for the street. I am currently training wc but i have been checking out some bk schools and it is looking promising. looking for missouri schools or any website that informs you of it. please help me and thanks vm
Bushidokan VS. Wing Chun Best style for street?
Please excuse my boldness, because I don't do both.
Wing Chun, though, I know well of. It's the style that Bruce Lee started out with. It was founded by a woman and she could defend herself against the strongest man. It's a very close-in style, and the goal is to "feel" your opponant, not see them. A person who's trained well can defeat an opponant with a blindfold.
Bushidokan...I haven't heard of it, but it sounds Japanese, possibly...Korean? Probably Japanese.
For street, you'd be best with a style that doesn't exclude grappling. In reality, grappling takes more energy, so you'd be best with a style that works on keeping out of a grappling situation, but also teaches you effective grappling so if you can't avoid that situation, you can get yourself out of it, on top, or in the dominant possition.
I know it wasn't one of your choices, but I'd reccomend Kenpo Karate, actually a far descendant of Shao Lin. http://www.ussd.com is a good source to look up on Kenpo. The USSD has many studios in every US state, many places in Canada, and I think somewhere in the Northeast, but I can't quite remember where. If you don't want to check it out, I won't feel offended, and I respect your own choices.
Please, pardon my boldness, I only wished to share what I knew. If it doesn't help, my apologies, and if it hinders you, again, my apologies. If it helps you at all, I am glad, and I hope you do well in whichever you choose!
Reply:Wing Chun is good on the street. It emphasizes economy of motion and works at close distances. You will also learn how to flow from one move to another when you encounter random positions in a street fight. Just make sure you don't get a BS teacher. Also train something for the ground since a lot of street fights end up there.
Bushidokan VS. Wing Chun Best style for street?
Please excuse my boldness, because I don't do both.
Wing Chun, though, I know well of. It's the style that Bruce Lee started out with. It was founded by a woman and she could defend herself against the strongest man. It's a very close-in style, and the goal is to "feel" your opponant, not see them. A person who's trained well can defeat an opponant with a blindfold.
Bushidokan...I haven't heard of it, but it sounds Japanese, possibly...Korean? Probably Japanese.
For street, you'd be best with a style that doesn't exclude grappling. In reality, grappling takes more energy, so you'd be best with a style that works on keeping out of a grappling situation, but also teaches you effective grappling so if you can't avoid that situation, you can get yourself out of it, on top, or in the dominant possition.
I know it wasn't one of your choices, but I'd reccomend Kenpo Karate, actually a far descendant of Shao Lin. http://www.ussd.com is a good source to look up on Kenpo. The USSD has many studios in every US state, many places in Canada, and I think somewhere in the Northeast, but I can't quite remember where. If you don't want to check it out, I won't feel offended, and I respect your own choices.
Please, pardon my boldness, I only wished to share what I knew. If it doesn't help, my apologies, and if it hinders you, again, my apologies. If it helps you at all, I am glad, and I hope you do well in whichever you choose!
Reply:Wing Chun is good on the street. It emphasizes economy of motion and works at close distances. You will also learn how to flow from one move to another when you encounter random positions in a street fight. Just make sure you don't get a BS teacher. Also train something for the ground since a lot of street fights end up there.
Thoughts on Wing Chun Kung Fu?
Kind of curious about this. There isn't any instructers in my area. Well I take that back there is one; but it's a Mcdojo. Who here is really into Wing Chun? What do you think about it?
Thoughts on Wing Chun Kung Fu?
Wing Chun is beautiful.
You practice subtly feeling out your opponent's energy by maintaining wrist-to-wrist (w2w) contact.
You practice the delicate balance between sticking to your opponent (w2w) but without being "heavy" (giving away your energy by pushing down/out), all the while maintaining your forward (striking) intention.
You don't have to be big or muscular at all.
Whoever relaxes most, wins.
Even at a "McDojo," ask if you can just observe a couple classes. Ask the instructor about his/her qualifications ("lineage"). Who was his Sifu? Who was his Sifu's Sifu?
If he can look you in the eye and genuinely enjoy discussing his lineage, you probably got a decent instructor.
Reply:i love all martial arts and im really interested in wing chun. of course ive never taken it but i have taken jeet kune do. jkd is bruce lee's martial art and its base is built upon wing chun. wing chun is one of the only martial arts founded by a woman. its great self defence.
Reply:wing chun mcdojo? very rare. wing chun is awesome . i take shaolin kung fu and love that too
Reply:Some say that it is a great counter to anyone trying to strike or grapple.
I have a video of some teacher speaking a foreign langauge that I downloaded and burned to disc. It looks extremely violent.
Until I actually see it in an MMA match, or a challenge like the Gracies used to do, I won't make any conclusions on its effectiveness.
Thoughts on Wing Chun Kung Fu?
Wing Chun is beautiful.
You practice subtly feeling out your opponent's energy by maintaining wrist-to-wrist (w2w) contact.
You practice the delicate balance between sticking to your opponent (w2w) but without being "heavy" (giving away your energy by pushing down/out), all the while maintaining your forward (striking) intention.
You don't have to be big or muscular at all.
Whoever relaxes most, wins.
Even at a "McDojo," ask if you can just observe a couple classes. Ask the instructor about his/her qualifications ("lineage"). Who was his Sifu? Who was his Sifu's Sifu?
If he can look you in the eye and genuinely enjoy discussing his lineage, you probably got a decent instructor.
Reply:i love all martial arts and im really interested in wing chun. of course ive never taken it but i have taken jeet kune do. jkd is bruce lee's martial art and its base is built upon wing chun. wing chun is one of the only martial arts founded by a woman. its great self defence.
Reply:wing chun mcdojo? very rare. wing chun is awesome . i take shaolin kung fu and love that too
Reply:Some say that it is a great counter to anyone trying to strike or grapple.
I have a video of some teacher speaking a foreign langauge that I downloaded and burned to disc. It looks extremely violent.
Until I actually see it in an MMA match, or a challenge like the Gracies used to do, I won't make any conclusions on its effectiveness.
How can I learn Wing Chun kung fu ?
I live in a country we're there are no wing chun training classes. Is there any other way that I can learn at least the basics of wing chun ?
How can I learn Wing Chun kung fu ?
Please check out the links within my Website you may find a class near you. If you cannot find a class there is much information there for you.
peace,
lr
http://www.pacificwingchunassociatin.com
Reply:Not really. Find a good instructor %26amp; learn that style. The instructor is more important than the style.
How can I learn Wing Chun kung fu ?
Please check out the links within my Website you may find a class near you. If you cannot find a class there is much information there for you.
peace,
lr
http://www.pacificwingchunassociatin.com
Reply:Not really. Find a good instructor %26amp; learn that style. The instructor is more important than the style.
What's a good martial art style to go with Wing Chun?
I've been studying Wing Chun for a few years. It's a great system, but I can see it has some weaknesses.. What's a good martial art to compliment what I've already learned from Wing Chun? I plan on continuing to study Wing Chun, but I've been thinking I might need something to go with it to be really good. I've been considering BJJ in case someone gets me on the ground, but I don't know of any BJJ schools around my area. What other systems would go well with Wing Chun? I don't want a system that goes against the basic principles of Wing Chun. Any ideas?
What's a good martial art style to go with Wing Chun?
If grappling is you next concern, study BJJ. If striking is your big concern, Muay Thai is the way to go. I also study Wing Chun and find that it gives me a tremendous advantage when incorporated with any other martial arts style. BTW... I study in VA as well.
Reply:I would point you towards the path of Kali/Silat systems.
There's a few to chose from, there are also combo systems.
You can also look at other Filipino Martial Arts.
Reply:Wing Chun is a striking/kicking art. to compliment this you should look into a grappling/locks art. This will give you balance and increase your confidence.
Reply:i would answer one of the three major internal arts; ba gua xing-i or tai chi.
the principles shared between them and wing chun are many.
they will get you moving your feet/postition alot more.
while wing chun does have qi gung, as far as my exposure to it shows, it's lacking in how effective it could be for the organs and nervous system of the body. any of these 3 internal arts will address that hands down....and especially qi circulation from the waste down.
ba gua
xing-i
tai chi
thats what i would recommend...in that order.
good luck!
Reply:As was mentioned earlier, Wing Chun is primarily a striking art. And I agree with Pugilist that a grappling art would be best.
Try Judo or Aikido.
Reply:I know an instructor here in VA who teaches Wing Chun along with Kali Eskrima(Phillipino Martial Art) A friend of mine is actually a student there but goes elsewhere for Brazilian Juijitsu.
Reply:Bing Bong
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What's a good martial art style to go with Wing Chun?
If grappling is you next concern, study BJJ. If striking is your big concern, Muay Thai is the way to go. I also study Wing Chun and find that it gives me a tremendous advantage when incorporated with any other martial arts style. BTW... I study in VA as well.
Reply:I would point you towards the path of Kali/Silat systems.
There's a few to chose from, there are also combo systems.
You can also look at other Filipino Martial Arts.
Reply:Wing Chun is a striking/kicking art. to compliment this you should look into a grappling/locks art. This will give you balance and increase your confidence.
Reply:i would answer one of the three major internal arts; ba gua xing-i or tai chi.
the principles shared between them and wing chun are many.
they will get you moving your feet/postition alot more.
while wing chun does have qi gung, as far as my exposure to it shows, it's lacking in how effective it could be for the organs and nervous system of the body. any of these 3 internal arts will address that hands down....and especially qi circulation from the waste down.
ba gua
xing-i
tai chi
thats what i would recommend...in that order.
good luck!
Reply:As was mentioned earlier, Wing Chun is primarily a striking art. And I agree with Pugilist that a grappling art would be best.
Try Judo or Aikido.
Reply:I know an instructor here in VA who teaches Wing Chun along with Kali Eskrima(Phillipino Martial Art) A friend of mine is actually a student there but goes elsewhere for Brazilian Juijitsu.
Reply:Bing Bong
Reply:Capoeria
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Is wing chun good for steetfighting?
I am thinking of studing wing chun, I would like someone that have study it, to till me is it good in a fight? and have that person used it in a fight? if I cannot use it in a fight i will not study it. not that i will get into fights but if i did it must work!! thank you!
Is wing chun good for steetfighting?
buigstorm
Yes it is a good defense for the street I studied this system. The main objective of Wing Chuns to be a realistic system of self-defense. That is why many feel Bruce Lee used it as his base for Jeet Kune do.
Wing Chun is effective for close combat because that is where all fights are at very quickly in a bar fight. Very rarely are you " ready" for the attack. Usually it is a flurry of fists or head butt s are a burr that result in both parties getting injured. Wing Chun emphasizes close quarters awareness and touch reflexes.
This skill translates to immediate reaction to close combat. The only area many Wing Chun schools are missing is a strong grappling program. Most fights do end on the ground and it is important you find a school that offers a strong grappling classes as well . I would also combine it with Muay Thai(I did and it has helped)
Take care,
Devin Willis
Reply:You aren't supposed to use any type of martial arts in fights except in defense. But if you want it solely for defense, wing chun is a good choice.
Reply:Hell yea you can use Wing Chun to waste someone in a fight. This is a deadly sport and although ur sopposed to use it for defense this will definately let u win a fight and get some mad respect.
Reply:I would go with Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. These two together are a great combination. Muay Thai has been tested against all other stand up fighting techniques and has proven far superior. BJJ will clean up on a Wing Chun guy with twice the training.
Reply:Yes
Reply:like most styles it depends on whos teachin it. if its a good, practical instructor then yes if its a horrible greedy unskilled instructor then no
Reply:Your not another one of those guys who learns to fight just to start crap are you?
Is wing chun good for steetfighting?
buigstorm
Yes it is a good defense for the street I studied this system. The main objective of Wing Chuns to be a realistic system of self-defense. That is why many feel Bruce Lee used it as his base for Jeet Kune do.
Wing Chun is effective for close combat because that is where all fights are at very quickly in a bar fight. Very rarely are you " ready" for the attack. Usually it is a flurry of fists or head butt s are a burr that result in both parties getting injured. Wing Chun emphasizes close quarters awareness and touch reflexes.
This skill translates to immediate reaction to close combat. The only area many Wing Chun schools are missing is a strong grappling program. Most fights do end on the ground and it is important you find a school that offers a strong grappling classes as well . I would also combine it with Muay Thai(I did and it has helped)
Take care,
Devin Willis
Reply:You aren't supposed to use any type of martial arts in fights except in defense. But if you want it solely for defense, wing chun is a good choice.
Reply:Hell yea you can use Wing Chun to waste someone in a fight. This is a deadly sport and although ur sopposed to use it for defense this will definately let u win a fight and get some mad respect.
Reply:I would go with Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. These two together are a great combination. Muay Thai has been tested against all other stand up fighting techniques and has proven far superior. BJJ will clean up on a Wing Chun guy with twice the training.
Reply:Yes
Reply:like most styles it depends on whos teachin it. if its a good, practical instructor then yes if its a horrible greedy unskilled instructor then no
Reply:Your not another one of those guys who learns to fight just to start crap are you?
Free wing chun video clips?
i am unemployed and cant affort to go out and buy videos of wing chun which i love, so where can i get free down loads or clips
Free wing chun video clips?
You really dont need any videos dude - work on your Sil Lum Tao and your stance - practice it day and night, concentrate on the centre line and relaxation, work on locking the upper and lower parts of your body - the videos can just confuse things.
Reply:ok first guy who answer this question...you have 12 years exp. and you still say the words wrong?!?! its "Siu Lim Tao" or "Sao Lian Toa", depends on which language you using, Cantonese or Mandarin.
and the asker just want some video clips..for god sake.
here you go...
greatest video clips source of all time.
www.youtube.com, and seach of wing chun..
as I, myself, love wing chun very much as well. my father and his friend have a little place for people to apply to learn wing chun in china.
but i am in uk now, and i always go onto youtube and search for wing chun clips to learn how different people may learn or teach differently and use it differently.
hope this help and sorry for the first two paragraphs, cuz i really cant stand people who ignore the main point of people's question
heartless
Free wing chun video clips?
You really dont need any videos dude - work on your Sil Lum Tao and your stance - practice it day and night, concentrate on the centre line and relaxation, work on locking the upper and lower parts of your body - the videos can just confuse things.
Reply:ok first guy who answer this question...you have 12 years exp. and you still say the words wrong?!?! its "Siu Lim Tao" or "Sao Lian Toa", depends on which language you using, Cantonese or Mandarin.
and the asker just want some video clips..for god sake.
here you go...
greatest video clips source of all time.
www.youtube.com, and seach of wing chun..
as I, myself, love wing chun very much as well. my father and his friend have a little place for people to apply to learn wing chun in china.
but i am in uk now, and i always go onto youtube and search for wing chun clips to learn how different people may learn or teach differently and use it differently.
hope this help and sorry for the first two paragraphs, cuz i really cant stand people who ignore the main point of people's question
heartless
Is wing chun good for the steet?
I am thinking of taking it, and i would like someone who have study wing chun to till me about it and did that person use it in a real fight, was it useful?
Is wing chun good for the steet?
Wing Chun is one of the hard kungfu styles, it does have some great techniques, cause it's still kungfu of course, but if you want to use it in a fight, i would definitely not choose for kung fu, it is fast and got great techniques, but the defence is crap comparing to boxing etc. I see it as a pretty fighting style and not hard enough, i did Wushu and Wing Chun since i was little, so i know how it feels like when you're in a fight with your kungfu, got pretty beat up, but even though i won ^^ now i'm doing Thai boxing for 3 years, i would suggest you to do that too for a better fight outcome.
Reply:O wing chun is a very very good style that u can use in a street fight it also lets u take on many people if u studies it properly. This style will definately suit all of ur need on the streets.
Reply:go either for thai boxing, kick boxing or jeet kwon do
that will suit ur requirements the best
Reply:no
Reply:Who knows, anything will work against someone who doesnt know any kind of fighting but as soon as the other person knows a little bit of boxing or a little wrestling, well, its GG for you, because unless you find a real school you probably wont practice in full contact and unless you get into alot of street fights you will not have the mental attitude when it would come to a real fight
Jeet Kun Do is better, if you really want to do kung fu go with JKD
Reply:Yes Wing Chun is good for the steet....
Reply:Wing would be good for the streets although it is not a very hard kung fu. It is very useful and highly aggressive art which concentrates on centreline. Blocks are more in the nature of a deflection, which set up a hit in retaliation.Like most people said you can't compare Martial Arts you can only compare Martial Artist.
Is wing chun good for the steet?
Wing Chun is one of the hard kungfu styles, it does have some great techniques, cause it's still kungfu of course, but if you want to use it in a fight, i would definitely not choose for kung fu, it is fast and got great techniques, but the defence is crap comparing to boxing etc. I see it as a pretty fighting style and not hard enough, i did Wushu and Wing Chun since i was little, so i know how it feels like when you're in a fight with your kungfu, got pretty beat up, but even though i won ^^ now i'm doing Thai boxing for 3 years, i would suggest you to do that too for a better fight outcome.
Reply:O wing chun is a very very good style that u can use in a street fight it also lets u take on many people if u studies it properly. This style will definately suit all of ur need on the streets.
Reply:go either for thai boxing, kick boxing or jeet kwon do
that will suit ur requirements the best
Reply:no
Reply:Who knows, anything will work against someone who doesnt know any kind of fighting but as soon as the other person knows a little bit of boxing or a little wrestling, well, its GG for you, because unless you find a real school you probably wont practice in full contact and unless you get into alot of street fights you will not have the mental attitude when it would come to a real fight
Jeet Kun Do is better, if you really want to do kung fu go with JKD
Reply:Yes Wing Chun is good for the steet....
Reply:Wing would be good for the streets although it is not a very hard kung fu. It is very useful and highly aggressive art which concentrates on centreline. Blocks are more in the nature of a deflection, which set up a hit in retaliation.Like most people said you can't compare Martial Arts you can only compare Martial Artist.
Is wing chun effective for self defense?
is wing chun effective?
Is wing chun effective for self defense?
There are some aspects that would be effective for Self-Defense. As with all Traditional Martial Arts, there are some aspects that have effectiveness for Self-Defense. This is where Bruce Lee kept what worked and left out what didn't. TMA provide a good foundation for exercise, coordination, attribute development, etc. However, if Self-Defense is your primary concern, then I suggest finding instruction in Self-Defense, not TMA.
Here are some important questions to ask when selecting a self-defense school:
(1) Is the training practical and realistic?
(2) Are questions permitted in class?
(3) Does the school stress the importance of range proficiency?
(4) Is safety stressed during training?
(5) Does the instructor discuss the legal ramifications of self-defense?
(6) Are training materials available for the students?
(7) Are full-contact exercises conducted?
(8) Are ground fighting techniques taught?
(9) What types of weapons are taught?
(10) Is the information presented in a methodical and organized fashion?
(11) How proficient are the advanced students of the particular system?
(12) What is the general atmosphere of the school?
(13) Does the instructor seem to be in control of the studio?
(14) Can you afford the membership fees?
Reply:Depends on what you're being attacked by.
Reply:its what Bruce Lee was taught before he made his own method so it should be pretty good
Reply:For self defense..."no." Maybe for stress relief or staying shape. But for REAL self defense, either take BJJ and/or Muy Thai.
Reply:against a regular untrained street punk.......sure... Against anyone formally trained in anything other than wing chun.. Id put my $$ on the other guy... not knocking bruce lee or anything but wing chun originally was a martial art for FEMALES only!... AKA wui wing chun... so next time someone says bruce hit like a girl.. they wernt entirley wrong..:)
Reply:Wing chun is great for Self-Defense. But make sure you know how to ground fight also. A good fighter might get you there.
Reply:do you mean wing chun?
or wing tsun?
or ving chun?
I got it I got it you meant
Ving tsun right?
I'm so lost....
Reply:Anyone that says Wing Chun isn't for self defence knows very little of martial arts. It was designed by the elite of the Shaolin Monastery for that exact purpose. Designed during the period when Martial Artist where outlawed and killed for practicing Shaolin kung Fu. It was developed to utilise weapons that DON'T look like weapons, it uses position and speed which DON't give the game away, hence why it dosen't look like Wu Shu. It is designed for one job, and that is to get the job done as fast and as efficiently as possible utilising every attribute of the human mind and body.
flowers funeral
Is wing chun effective for self defense?
There are some aspects that would be effective for Self-Defense. As with all Traditional Martial Arts, there are some aspects that have effectiveness for Self-Defense. This is where Bruce Lee kept what worked and left out what didn't. TMA provide a good foundation for exercise, coordination, attribute development, etc. However, if Self-Defense is your primary concern, then I suggest finding instruction in Self-Defense, not TMA.
Here are some important questions to ask when selecting a self-defense school:
(1) Is the training practical and realistic?
(2) Are questions permitted in class?
(3) Does the school stress the importance of range proficiency?
(4) Is safety stressed during training?
(5) Does the instructor discuss the legal ramifications of self-defense?
(6) Are training materials available for the students?
(7) Are full-contact exercises conducted?
(8) Are ground fighting techniques taught?
(9) What types of weapons are taught?
(10) Is the information presented in a methodical and organized fashion?
(11) How proficient are the advanced students of the particular system?
(12) What is the general atmosphere of the school?
(13) Does the instructor seem to be in control of the studio?
(14) Can you afford the membership fees?
Reply:Depends on what you're being attacked by.
Reply:its what Bruce Lee was taught before he made his own method so it should be pretty good
Reply:For self defense..."no." Maybe for stress relief or staying shape. But for REAL self defense, either take BJJ and/or Muy Thai.
Reply:against a regular untrained street punk.......sure... Against anyone formally trained in anything other than wing chun.. Id put my $$ on the other guy... not knocking bruce lee or anything but wing chun originally was a martial art for FEMALES only!... AKA wui wing chun... so next time someone says bruce hit like a girl.. they wernt entirley wrong..:)
Reply:Wing chun is great for Self-Defense. But make sure you know how to ground fight also. A good fighter might get you there.
Reply:do you mean wing chun?
or wing tsun?
or ving chun?
I got it I got it you meant
Ving tsun right?
I'm so lost....
Reply:Anyone that says Wing Chun isn't for self defence knows very little of martial arts. It was designed by the elite of the Shaolin Monastery for that exact purpose. Designed during the period when Martial Artist where outlawed and killed for practicing Shaolin kung Fu. It was developed to utilise weapons that DON'T look like weapons, it uses position and speed which DON't give the game away, hence why it dosen't look like Wu Shu. It is designed for one job, and that is to get the job done as fast and as efficiently as possible utilising every attribute of the human mind and body.
flowers funeral
Personal tuition in WIng chun?
I'm thinking of getting personal tuition in Wing Chun by my Sifu, was just wondering has anyone else got private in wing Chun? and have they progressed lots? is it worth it?.
Personal tuition in WIng chun?
It is not easy, any private lessons will be hard to sell.
People like to go to McDojos where they can learn bogus technique and jump around wearing a white suit with a belt.
Go to teach at a YMCA, or a local fitness gym...You will do better. Contact your Police Athletics League, I have been through this, I want to save you trouble
Reply:Ive been doing northern wushu, a couple of times i turned up to the classes later in the day and because of groups of belts ended up with a few one on one training sessions...
i have to say it was definately worth it, i dont know much about the wing chun style specifically or your si fu and si heng's but i thought it was worth it.
the best part was doing all the basic drills at the start against someone with good technique and strength, it really works your muscles properly.
ive been thinking of doing some actual private classes but ive been too busy.
Good Luck : )
Reply:Well, this could be a good situation, providing the instructor is honest.
He might decide to teach you privately but the content might not be different from what a full class would learn.
So, it's up in the air.
Reply:ok... this is a simple equation... Are you learning forms or chi sao or application?
If you are doing forms, then really you are better off saving your money and practicing them in class as you don't really need your sifu to correct you every step of the way, you will need to practice and refine these yourself and get your sifu's corrections later.
If you are doing any hands on work ie, application,, sparring, chi sao ect then private is def better... You will get the teachers gull attention and you will always progress more by training with more experienced people... This being said you also need to make sure that you practice with as many different people as possible as everyone will fight differently and it is important not to get too used to one way.
Personal tuition in WIng chun?
It is not easy, any private lessons will be hard to sell.
People like to go to McDojos where they can learn bogus technique and jump around wearing a white suit with a belt.
Go to teach at a YMCA, or a local fitness gym...You will do better. Contact your Police Athletics League, I have been through this, I want to save you trouble
Reply:Ive been doing northern wushu, a couple of times i turned up to the classes later in the day and because of groups of belts ended up with a few one on one training sessions...
i have to say it was definately worth it, i dont know much about the wing chun style specifically or your si fu and si heng's but i thought it was worth it.
the best part was doing all the basic drills at the start against someone with good technique and strength, it really works your muscles properly.
ive been thinking of doing some actual private classes but ive been too busy.
Good Luck : )
Reply:Well, this could be a good situation, providing the instructor is honest.
He might decide to teach you privately but the content might not be different from what a full class would learn.
So, it's up in the air.
Reply:ok... this is a simple equation... Are you learning forms or chi sao or application?
If you are doing forms, then really you are better off saving your money and practicing them in class as you don't really need your sifu to correct you every step of the way, you will need to practice and refine these yourself and get your sifu's corrections later.
If you are doing any hands on work ie, application,, sparring, chi sao ect then private is def better... You will get the teachers gull attention and you will always progress more by training with more experienced people... This being said you also need to make sure that you practice with as many different people as possible as everyone will fight differently and it is important not to get too used to one way.
Wing Chun DVD's?
Which do you think is the best teaching series of Wing Chun Kung Fu on DVD?
There are no Kung Fu Classes in my area. I would like to learn the forms meanwhile...
Thanks...
Wing Chun DVD's?
To really learn any art you must have someone teach you. You can never learn on your own. BUT, if you don't have a school and you really want to learn anyway. Duncan Leung has some good DVD's.. you have to really watch them and do the drills. I would look into contacting one of his students or Lo man Kam students that are the closest to you. Maybe you can figure some way to start a group in your area and visit the other school every month. This is your best answer.. or just join a school you like near you that's not Wing Chun.
Reply:I saw some guy...like sifu wong or something, type in key words like sifu wong wing chun or wong jkd something like that and you can see the clips on youtube....
There are no Kung Fu Classes in my area. I would like to learn the forms meanwhile...
Thanks...
Wing Chun DVD's?
To really learn any art you must have someone teach you. You can never learn on your own. BUT, if you don't have a school and you really want to learn anyway. Duncan Leung has some good DVD's.. you have to really watch them and do the drills. I would look into contacting one of his students or Lo man Kam students that are the closest to you. Maybe you can figure some way to start a group in your area and visit the other school every month. This is your best answer.. or just join a school you like near you that's not Wing Chun.
Reply:I saw some guy...like sifu wong or something, type in key words like sifu wong wing chun or wong jkd something like that and you can see the clips on youtube....
Wing chun for kids, kids classes in the UK, South London?
I would like my 7 year old boy to start learning wing chun, We live in south london, does any body know of any instructors in south london or bromley that teaches kids,
Wing chun for kids, kids classes in the UK, South London?
David,
Try the updated contact information below:
Wing Tsun (wing chun) Self Defense
Self Defence Classes for adults and children.The national Wing Tsun organisation is dedicated to promoting responsible self defence.
Contact
Julian Hitch
Foresters
Barnet Wood Road
Bromley
BR2 8HJ
Telephone:
020 8462 6772
07974 308366
Email:
info@mywt.co.uk
Times
Mon 5:15pm-6:00pm, 7:00pm-9:00pm (Bromley Parish Church Youth Centre) Tue 6:15pm-7:00pm, 7:00pm-9:30pm (Crofton Junior School)
Note -WingTsun Kung Fu is an effective branch of Wing Chun Kung Fu .
Take care,
Devin Willis
Wing chun for kids, kids classes in the UK, South London?
David,
Try the updated contact information below:
Wing Tsun (wing chun) Self Defense
Self Defence Classes for adults and children.The national Wing Tsun organisation is dedicated to promoting responsible self defence.
Contact
Julian Hitch
Foresters
Barnet Wood Road
Bromley
BR2 8HJ
Telephone:
020 8462 6772
07974 308366
Email:
info@mywt.co.uk
Times
Mon 5:15pm-6:00pm, 7:00pm-9:00pm (Bromley Parish Church Youth Centre) Tue 6:15pm-7:00pm, 7:00pm-9:30pm (Crofton Junior School)
Note -WingTsun Kung Fu is an effective branch of Wing Chun Kung Fu .
Take care,
Devin Willis
Wing chun/jun fan gung fu/JKD in Seattle area.....?
I'm not to skilled with google, but I'm looking for a well respected sifu in the seattle area.
I prefer a Jeet Kune Do school, but will defintely jump on to a Wing chun school. Maybe even Kali. Can someone help me find an instructor to train with.
Seattle
Thank you!
Wing chun/jun fan gung fu/JKD in Seattle area.....?
Have a look at these:
Reply:I might be a little out of touch but Bruce Lee started teaching in Seattle. And his protege Dan Inosanto took over from him and teaches JKD concepts which includes Kali, wing chun, etc etc. If Dan isn't still there, then surely one of his students is? Look in the phone book.
Reply:Try the "Seattle Martial Arts Search Engine"
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I prefer a Jeet Kune Do school, but will defintely jump on to a Wing chun school. Maybe even Kali. Can someone help me find an instructor to train with.
Seattle
Thank you!
Wing chun/jun fan gung fu/JKD in Seattle area.....?
Have a look at these:
Reply:I might be a little out of touch but Bruce Lee started teaching in Seattle. And his protege Dan Inosanto took over from him and teaches JKD concepts which includes Kali, wing chun, etc etc. If Dan isn't still there, then surely one of his students is? Look in the phone book.
Reply:Try the "Seattle Martial Arts Search Engine"
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Wing chun or Aikido?
I've developed an interest in wing chun after reading and owning books on the subject and internet research but also coming from a jiu-jitsu background have an equal interest in Aikido. As I cant pursue both which one do most martial artists deem the most practical...???
Wing chun or Aikido?
well I think you know where I stand with my preference. however I think the choice should always be up to you. I think the best thing to do is to pro and con both.
Wing chun tends to be a bit more physically demanding so it would require that you are in good shape. It's a chinese system thus it does teach you about energy streams and inner balance of the body and after a while you'll develop very fast reflexes.
Aikido is a bit less physical but it takes years to effectively master most of the techniques. It takes time to understand what's really going on and most men have difficulties learning the principle of non resistance. But aikido is a very beautiful art that is very practical and can be used either gently or very brutal. Aikido encompasses weapon techniques and defenses against weapons, something the striking arts usually lack or only briefly teach. I have started at aikido years ago and will keep at it till my dying day. But each must make their own choice.
Reply:I am currently training Wing Chun kung fu. I disagree with the physically demanding part.... as it was an art created by a woman.... for smaller people to sort out bigger people as it where. Report It
Reply:if it is being taught to be physically demanding... its being taught wrong and you need a new Sifu. Report It
Reply:Wing Chun is the basis for JKD and is fundamental for footwork based attacks. I would strongly recommend it.
Reply:wing chun
Reply:John Wayne
Reply:why not they are different enough not to get confused . train both and see which suits you best . check out both classes,atmosphere ,friendliness. talk to the Sifu,Sensei , students , listen to your feelings and go with your decision . use common sense . good luck
Reply:Wing chun
Reply:if you choose Aikido, I recommend the Ki-aikido branch of the martial art. It's very fun and you can learn to throw people bigger than you are with relative ease. They have very practical delf defense training.
I've had wierd and fun experiences in this martail art. I can't push some of the higher ups over, even if they just stand and I charge. Some of the higher ups can even throw me without touching me; it's really wierd and fun.
Wing chun or Aikido?
well I think you know where I stand with my preference. however I think the choice should always be up to you. I think the best thing to do is to pro and con both.
Wing chun tends to be a bit more physically demanding so it would require that you are in good shape. It's a chinese system thus it does teach you about energy streams and inner balance of the body and after a while you'll develop very fast reflexes.
Aikido is a bit less physical but it takes years to effectively master most of the techniques. It takes time to understand what's really going on and most men have difficulties learning the principle of non resistance. But aikido is a very beautiful art that is very practical and can be used either gently or very brutal. Aikido encompasses weapon techniques and defenses against weapons, something the striking arts usually lack or only briefly teach. I have started at aikido years ago and will keep at it till my dying day. But each must make their own choice.
Reply:I am currently training Wing Chun kung fu. I disagree with the physically demanding part.... as it was an art created by a woman.... for smaller people to sort out bigger people as it where. Report It
Reply:if it is being taught to be physically demanding... its being taught wrong and you need a new Sifu. Report It
Reply:Wing Chun is the basis for JKD and is fundamental for footwork based attacks. I would strongly recommend it.
Reply:wing chun
Reply:John Wayne
Reply:why not they are different enough not to get confused . train both and see which suits you best . check out both classes,atmosphere ,friendliness. talk to the Sifu,Sensei , students , listen to your feelings and go with your decision . use common sense . good luck
Reply:Wing chun
Reply:if you choose Aikido, I recommend the Ki-aikido branch of the martial art. It's very fun and you can learn to throw people bigger than you are with relative ease. They have very practical delf defense training.
I've had wierd and fun experiences in this martail art. I can't push some of the higher ups over, even if they just stand and I charge. Some of the higher ups can even throw me without touching me; it's really wierd and fun.
Wing Chun vs. Animal style Kung Fu?
Recently, things have been happening, alot of trouble where I live, and I need to protect myself. Shall I take up Wing Chun Kung Fu, or Anima Style Kung Fu?
Wing Chun vs. Animal style Kung Fu?
Try Aikido or Judo or Jeet Kune Do
Reply:I asked a question about neither styles. Don't be so ignorant Report It
Reply:id look for some mixed martial arts it's easier to learn and you get instant knowledge of fighting after a month of mixed martial arts you'd be able to stand your own 100 percent better a month in any kung fu youd still be learning how to throw a correct punch if you have to choose between the 2 they are both difficult to learn and take years of training to get it right so pick them for convinience good luck waaaa
Reply:move
Reply:Styles typically don't make difference. It is the individual, and what they put into their training. If your are having self-defense problems. Fight a school, karate, kung-fu, doesn't matter, that teachers Self-Defense...No points, not tournament.
Practice knuckle push-ups. Keeping your two large knuckles only on ground. The big toes of feet only on ground. Helps to develop internal parts of fist, and feet. You don't start punching solid objects till, body in condition. Typically about 4 to 6 months on push ups and you will have great internal bone, tenden development. Ready for contact. Without hurting yourself.
Good Luck
Reply:i suggest wing chun. wing chun is famous for its speed. when you get good at wing chun you will be able to attack and defend with your hands very quickly. animal style is nice but it can be hard to get good at because of using the wierd hand positions. mostly it depends on the person so any martial art will be fine. try getting trial classes and see which one fits you best. the best results of self defence is from a very good teacher.
Reply:Wing Chun is a Shaolin Style and comes from animal styles, it incorporates many techniques from animal styles.
It is popularly believed that Wing Chun was the result of 5 animal style grandmasters selecting the most efficent and effective techniques for their systems and developing them into a new style based on the bio mechanics of a human instead of an animal. This new art was supposed to be to train an army in a shorter time (5 years rather than the 10 years it took to master animal style) to take China back from the invading Manchurians.
So there you go... If you want to learn one of those two then go for Wing Chun if you want to learn quicker or animal style if you've got a lot of time. Mind you it will take quite a while to learn to use wing chun effectively (at least 6 months to get some basic skill and knowledge working well and years to consider yourself a skilled practioner).
Both styles are highly effective however I believe Wing Chun to be a little more so as you are constantly training in the manner that you fight, you do not have to modify anything for "real" situations.
Reply:the guy above me is a moron. Wing Chun does NOT incorporate any animal styles whatsoever, and it never has.
I have done wing chun for awhile and i think it's very good. My instructor has done praying mantis kung fu as well, and he said that the combat application for wing chun is much better in wing chun than in praying mantis. but mantis looks cooler. I would agree with him.
Reply:Animal styles are incorporated in Wing chun and it will take you too long to learn.
I would rather go for Mui tai. It is not so glamourised as in its more a trained street fighting - straight to the point of fighting. It is very effective and you can learn that a lot faster. Do that and incorporate Aikido.
Good luck.
Reply:You can't find wrestling, muy thai, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, or boxing?
If speed is of the essence, wrestling, judo, bjj, sambo, because you will start trying it out against people immediately. Boxing/MT take a bit longer to start sparring, but that's the striking game for you.
Eventually, some combination of a grappling and striking.
There is no shortcut, you are not going to become a fighting badass in a few short weeks, and anyone who tells you different is lying.
Reply:I would suggest a reality based self defense system. Almost all the traditional martial arts have you go through these forms and stances that really wouldn't ever use in a fight. If you are looking to score points in a competition or something like that then maybe Wing Chung or Animal style Kung Fu will be good for you. But if its a street fight you are more likely to get into and defend yourself from, then you need to consider something else.
Wing Chun vs. Animal style Kung Fu?
Try Aikido or Judo or Jeet Kune Do
Reply:I asked a question about neither styles. Don't be so ignorant Report It
Reply:id look for some mixed martial arts it's easier to learn and you get instant knowledge of fighting after a month of mixed martial arts you'd be able to stand your own 100 percent better a month in any kung fu youd still be learning how to throw a correct punch if you have to choose between the 2 they are both difficult to learn and take years of training to get it right so pick them for convinience good luck waaaa
Reply:move
Reply:Styles typically don't make difference. It is the individual, and what they put into their training. If your are having self-defense problems. Fight a school, karate, kung-fu, doesn't matter, that teachers Self-Defense...No points, not tournament.
Practice knuckle push-ups. Keeping your two large knuckles only on ground. The big toes of feet only on ground. Helps to develop internal parts of fist, and feet. You don't start punching solid objects till, body in condition. Typically about 4 to 6 months on push ups and you will have great internal bone, tenden development. Ready for contact. Without hurting yourself.
Good Luck
Reply:i suggest wing chun. wing chun is famous for its speed. when you get good at wing chun you will be able to attack and defend with your hands very quickly. animal style is nice but it can be hard to get good at because of using the wierd hand positions. mostly it depends on the person so any martial art will be fine. try getting trial classes and see which one fits you best. the best results of self defence is from a very good teacher.
Reply:Wing Chun is a Shaolin Style and comes from animal styles, it incorporates many techniques from animal styles.
It is popularly believed that Wing Chun was the result of 5 animal style grandmasters selecting the most efficent and effective techniques for their systems and developing them into a new style based on the bio mechanics of a human instead of an animal. This new art was supposed to be to train an army in a shorter time (5 years rather than the 10 years it took to master animal style) to take China back from the invading Manchurians.
So there you go... If you want to learn one of those two then go for Wing Chun if you want to learn quicker or animal style if you've got a lot of time. Mind you it will take quite a while to learn to use wing chun effectively (at least 6 months to get some basic skill and knowledge working well and years to consider yourself a skilled practioner).
Both styles are highly effective however I believe Wing Chun to be a little more so as you are constantly training in the manner that you fight, you do not have to modify anything for "real" situations.
Reply:the guy above me is a moron. Wing Chun does NOT incorporate any animal styles whatsoever, and it never has.
I have done wing chun for awhile and i think it's very good. My instructor has done praying mantis kung fu as well, and he said that the combat application for wing chun is much better in wing chun than in praying mantis. but mantis looks cooler. I would agree with him.
Reply:Animal styles are incorporated in Wing chun and it will take you too long to learn.
I would rather go for Mui tai. It is not so glamourised as in its more a trained street fighting - straight to the point of fighting. It is very effective and you can learn that a lot faster. Do that and incorporate Aikido.
Good luck.
Reply:You can't find wrestling, muy thai, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, or boxing?
If speed is of the essence, wrestling, judo, bjj, sambo, because you will start trying it out against people immediately. Boxing/MT take a bit longer to start sparring, but that's the striking game for you.
Eventually, some combination of a grappling and striking.
There is no shortcut, you are not going to become a fighting badass in a few short weeks, and anyone who tells you different is lying.
Reply:I would suggest a reality based self defense system. Almost all the traditional martial arts have you go through these forms and stances that really wouldn't ever use in a fight. If you are looking to score points in a competition or something like that then maybe Wing Chung or Animal style Kung Fu will be good for you. But if its a street fight you are more likely to get into and defend yourself from, then you need to consider something else.
Wing Chun/Jun Fan Gung fu...........?
I was heavily into martial arts when I was younger, majority of my experience was in wing chun/jun fan, and a little bit of kali and other asian and filipino arts. I use to be able to do atleast 100 push ups in a row, and maybe 200 sit ups. My speed was extremely fast in my arms. But I broke my left arm, and I can just feel the weakness of it, and the speed dramatically has been lost in both arms. I'm still fast, but not bruce lee fast like before. I gained maybe 30 pounds, and didn't work out for a while, smoked weed and cigs, and now I'm back to being sober, and working out more, but the speed isn't coming back. I've tryd everything from hanging a peice of paper up, following paul vunaks instructions of building the energy up and then releasing, but it's not there. How can I get my speed back, and does anyone know a good isometrics machine
Wing Chun/Jun Fan Gung fu...........?
Anytime you break something, the absolute best you can get it to is 90% of what it was prior to the break. Also since you are older then maybe your body is aging and wouldn't we all want to be fast as we were as children. As for increasing speed, doing a lot more cardio with high intensity should get those fast twitch muscles going. Trying working on exercises that involve more of explosive energy. For example, slowing bringing the bar down then push it up hard and fast back up. Smoking takes a toll on the whole body so work out the whole body. Squats and deadlifts help you out on this as well. Also try to eat well, like a lot of organic food and nothing with preservative or microwavable. Its amazing how you feel when you eat healthy. Then gradually you speed will come back. It's your whole body that has been effected. Not too sure if a isometric machine would drastically effect your speed. GOOD Luck.
Reply:Ok, there are many exercises you can do to help you. One: jump rope training. If you train in jump roping for hours at a time for days or for weeks (depends on the person) you will notice an improvement in your agility. Also boxers train with speed bags all the time. This will help your punching speed and your punching rhythm which will somewhat discipline you. The key is that you train everyday for long periods of time. It also helps to have protein shakes and maybe change your eating style. See what works for you.
Good Luck!
Reply:Paul vunak teaches weapons to develop body mechanics, that's what gives you speed and power. get your Kali sticks and practice some drills.
oh yeah don't compare yourself to sefu lee or inosanto you'll never be close to that caliber of fighter. your welcome to try and prove me wrong if you like.
Wing Chun/Jun Fan Gung fu...........?
Anytime you break something, the absolute best you can get it to is 90% of what it was prior to the break. Also since you are older then maybe your body is aging and wouldn't we all want to be fast as we were as children. As for increasing speed, doing a lot more cardio with high intensity should get those fast twitch muscles going. Trying working on exercises that involve more of explosive energy. For example, slowing bringing the bar down then push it up hard and fast back up. Smoking takes a toll on the whole body so work out the whole body. Squats and deadlifts help you out on this as well. Also try to eat well, like a lot of organic food and nothing with preservative or microwavable. Its amazing how you feel when you eat healthy. Then gradually you speed will come back. It's your whole body that has been effected. Not too sure if a isometric machine would drastically effect your speed. GOOD Luck.
Reply:Ok, there are many exercises you can do to help you. One: jump rope training. If you train in jump roping for hours at a time for days or for weeks (depends on the person) you will notice an improvement in your agility. Also boxers train with speed bags all the time. This will help your punching speed and your punching rhythm which will somewhat discipline you. The key is that you train everyday for long periods of time. It also helps to have protein shakes and maybe change your eating style. See what works for you.
Good Luck!
Reply:Paul vunak teaches weapons to develop body mechanics, that's what gives you speed and power. get your Kali sticks and practice some drills.
oh yeah don't compare yourself to sefu lee or inosanto you'll never be close to that caliber of fighter. your welcome to try and prove me wrong if you like.
Wing chun school?
Does anyone know a wing chun school in the cleveland or northeast ohio area?
Wing chun school?
As JM said, Yahoo Home, Yellow pages, choose location (by zip code), and search kung fu, or karate.
Here is one that came up in Cleveland:
Wing Lam Kung Fu
(216) 431-4991 See reviews on Local 5100 Saint Clair Ave
Cleveland, OH Map
Reply:yellow pages, internet, yahoo local
flowers baby
Wing chun school?
As JM said, Yahoo Home, Yellow pages, choose location (by zip code), and search kung fu, or karate.
Here is one that came up in Cleveland:
Wing Lam Kung Fu
(216) 431-4991 See reviews on Local 5100 Saint Clair Ave
Cleveland, OH Map
Reply:yellow pages, internet, yahoo local
flowers baby
Wing Chun Kung Fu or Jeet Kune Do?
what should i do?i did 3 years karate and i know try to learn something kung-fu like.what should i do now? Wing Chun Kung Fu or Jeet Kune Do?
Wing Chun Kung Fu or Jeet Kune Do?
You can't really "take" Jeet Kune Do like you would take Karate. Its more of coming to realize Jeet Kune Do or rather "study" it. You can take Wing Chun, and then apply Jeet Kune Do to that, which would be a very good idea.
I would say go to a Wing Chun school and then buy Bruce Lee's own personal book The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Its good stuff.
Reply:jeet kune do and wing chun are hard to find but if you do jeet kune do is better for self defense and street fighting wing chun is alot of counter attacks maybe you should consider american kenpo it is a chinese style of martial arts but it is made for street fighting it is a very good self defense art
Reply:Going from Karate to those two is like learning a bicycle which is simple and easy to use to driectly going to a aero plane. Jeet kun do is much simpler compared to the Wing chun kung. If u must, go for Jeet Kun do or try something like Muay Thai which will be useful in the streets. Even Judo will do a world of good when mixed with Karate as Judo is all about throws and grappling and Karate is more to do with strikes giving you a complete cycle in fighting skills. Ju Jitsu is other option to Judo.
Reply:You would like JKD better because it is more linear in its techniques than Wing Chun.
Reply:Actually, it's kinda like asking which should you eat, an ice cream cone or a chocolate flavored Ice cream? You can eat any flavor of ice cream with or without a cone, the cone however offers convenience and makes ice cream easier to eat and more enjoyable. Jeet Kune Do is a training philosophy or to put it simply, a training guideline, it can be applied whether you're studying Wing Chun, Jujitsu or Muay Thai. It won't teach you how to do a particular technique, you learn techniques from whatever style you choose to study, JKD merely teaches you how to train to do it better and make it more effficient and effective, or if it's not effective, then toss the technique out the window and learn something more useful.
Reply:As a martial artist, you should know better that it is not the style that makes the man. You have to find what works for you... Both styles are steeped in Chinese Philosophy but it all depends who teaches.
Why don't you give both a try and see which instructor, not style, is more suitable to bring out the best in you. Good luck.
Reply:well the inosanto clan JKD has a simplified WC format for its Jun Fan Kungfu plus there is another 30+ arts to learn
NO QUESTION
JKD
Wing Chun Kung Fu or Jeet Kune Do?
You can't really "take" Jeet Kune Do like you would take Karate. Its more of coming to realize Jeet Kune Do or rather "study" it. You can take Wing Chun, and then apply Jeet Kune Do to that, which would be a very good idea.
I would say go to a Wing Chun school and then buy Bruce Lee's own personal book The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Its good stuff.
Reply:jeet kune do and wing chun are hard to find but if you do jeet kune do is better for self defense and street fighting wing chun is alot of counter attacks maybe you should consider american kenpo it is a chinese style of martial arts but it is made for street fighting it is a very good self defense art
Reply:Going from Karate to those two is like learning a bicycle which is simple and easy to use to driectly going to a aero plane. Jeet kun do is much simpler compared to the Wing chun kung. If u must, go for Jeet Kun do or try something like Muay Thai which will be useful in the streets. Even Judo will do a world of good when mixed with Karate as Judo is all about throws and grappling and Karate is more to do with strikes giving you a complete cycle in fighting skills. Ju Jitsu is other option to Judo.
Reply:You would like JKD better because it is more linear in its techniques than Wing Chun.
Reply:Actually, it's kinda like asking which should you eat, an ice cream cone or a chocolate flavored Ice cream? You can eat any flavor of ice cream with or without a cone, the cone however offers convenience and makes ice cream easier to eat and more enjoyable. Jeet Kune Do is a training philosophy or to put it simply, a training guideline, it can be applied whether you're studying Wing Chun, Jujitsu or Muay Thai. It won't teach you how to do a particular technique, you learn techniques from whatever style you choose to study, JKD merely teaches you how to train to do it better and make it more effficient and effective, or if it's not effective, then toss the technique out the window and learn something more useful.
Reply:As a martial artist, you should know better that it is not the style that makes the man. You have to find what works for you... Both styles are steeped in Chinese Philosophy but it all depends who teaches.
Why don't you give both a try and see which instructor, not style, is more suitable to bring out the best in you. Good luck.
Reply:well the inosanto clan JKD has a simplified WC format for its Jun Fan Kungfu plus there is another 30+ arts to learn
NO QUESTION
JKD
Wing chun kung fu for children in south london?
Does any body know of a wing chun kung fu class for children in South London, or the surounding area
Wing chun kung fu for children in south london?
I'm not familiar with London or the surrounding areas, but maybe this will help:
Wing Chun Kung Fu Council
England
Sifu Terry Estcourt
Ryan Trott (Jo Gau)
Ian Gleed (Jo Gau)
School Locations
Romford
Upminster
Hornchurch
Chadwell Heath
Harold Hill (Ian Gleed)
Brentwood (Ian Gleed)
Grays
Hainault
Rush Green
Stanford Le Hope
Contact for all UK schools, Sifu Terry Estcourt 07958451718
Classes run Monday through Sunday in different locations.
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Wing chun kung fu for children in south london?
I'm not familiar with London or the surrounding areas, but maybe this will help:
Wing Chun Kung Fu Council
England
Sifu Terry Estcourt
Ryan Trott (Jo Gau)
Ian Gleed (Jo Gau)
School Locations
Romford
Upminster
Hornchurch
Chadwell Heath
Harold Hill (Ian Gleed)
Brentwood (Ian Gleed)
Grays
Hainault
Rush Green
Stanford Le Hope
Contact for all UK schools, Sifu Terry Estcourt 07958451718
Classes run Monday through Sunday in different locations.
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How would you beat a wing chun master?
I ask myself this alot, Wing Chun masters, if you fight them in stand up battle only, how can you beat them? unless your a wing chun master to, but i mean if its not that, wing chun practicioners learn how to counter evry strike. So un less your gonna run at them and tackle them to the ground, what tactic would you use to beat a wc practicioner. Personaly i would trow sidekicks above the hips, because I have never seen any videos or anythign showing wc practicioner countering sidekciks, only roundhouses. And I guess it would be hard to counter a sidekick. Briefly, what would you do, if you could only youse strikes* no savage run at takedowns*
How would you beat a wing chun master?
Wing Chun is so effective because we never ask those questions we just do it. Wing Chun is a science, it is not for sparing or for playing. Wing Chun is not a sport, it is a true martial art with only one objective without holding back. I did 30 different martial arts and since my big thing was always JKD I am back at its roots. If you will think (involve your logic) on how to beat wing chun master, it is already too late, you got hit. In a fight it should just happan the easiest and the fastest way possible. So, to beat wing chun, learn it, analyze it... if you get this far, you will be adicted to it... :)
Reply:Well I would use throws. Wing Chun generaly fights at close distances. Throwing techniques are useful when your really close. However since we're talking about striking only; as a Karate practitioner I would play the waiting game since Wing Chun has strong counter attacks; make the Wing Chun master attack, and wait for a single opening where you can capitalize, and go for a knock out.
Reply:Knee to the groin maybe, it would really depend on the person I'm fighting though. Their movements, "tells" .
Reply:Befriend them and make them your ally.....
But if we are just talking about friendly sparring.....lol
Remember, just because you may not see a sidekick counter, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A sidekick is one of the more common kicks, so I'm sure there exists a counter or two.
A straight stand up fight....depends on how you fight really. But how I fight, I tend to want to keep people away so I can use my feet. Since Wing Chun is a more close up fighting style, keep them at a distance as much as possible. But becareful because your Wing Chun master might also know other styles of martial arts.
Every attack has a counter to it. The question is, are you good enough to employ the counter/evade/block?
In the end, its about skill level and who's "on" on that particular day of sparring/fighting.
Reply:Wing Chun masters try to control the center line and deflect and redirect you, they love to stay in front of you.You can attack below the knees, try to take them to the ground,or use Ba-Gua tech and circle around them and attack from the side or rear.
Reply:ive fought with kung fu guys before, the ones ive battled stand up only seem to have difficulties if you break your rhythm and speed consantly while boxing and throw combos, they have strong blocks for one move but ofen will open themselves for other shots. and you can throw roundhouses you just need to catch him with a thai style kick to make him lose balance so even if he blocks, u can combo up and go in for the kill. and remember to attack at angles instead of straight on.
Reply:That's easy. Head kicks. I do wing chun myself and know for a fact that a. we do little kicking and most of our art is in-close hand work. If you can keep a distance from me and manage to have some great kicks then you can beat me easily. It is damaging to the person recieving the kick EVEN IF IT IS BLOCKED if the kick is high. Unless you can dodge the kick then getting kicked in the hands by a black belt in TKD freaking hurts really bad... but you don't get KO'd heh which is good. This is what Mirko Filipovic does and how he beats a lot of fist strikers. He takes them out before they can strike with his ultra fast and super powerful kicks. Wing chun is very good at defending low and medium kicks but honestly high kick defense is the arts weakness i believe, from experience. Muay Thai for example teaches probably the best high kick defense.
Reply:Boxing has the answer to WC. It's called the 'hook'. It's how you hit someone who is always coming straight in.
Most WC 'masters' have never tested their skills anyways, I wouldn't worry about it. It's very nice looking, but ultimately you will never fight one, and if you did, you wouldn't see any WC in the fight.
How would you beat a wing chun master?
Wing Chun is so effective because we never ask those questions we just do it. Wing Chun is a science, it is not for sparing or for playing. Wing Chun is not a sport, it is a true martial art with only one objective without holding back. I did 30 different martial arts and since my big thing was always JKD I am back at its roots. If you will think (involve your logic) on how to beat wing chun master, it is already too late, you got hit. In a fight it should just happan the easiest and the fastest way possible. So, to beat wing chun, learn it, analyze it... if you get this far, you will be adicted to it... :)
Reply:Well I would use throws. Wing Chun generaly fights at close distances. Throwing techniques are useful when your really close. However since we're talking about striking only; as a Karate practitioner I would play the waiting game since Wing Chun has strong counter attacks; make the Wing Chun master attack, and wait for a single opening where you can capitalize, and go for a knock out.
Reply:Knee to the groin maybe, it would really depend on the person I'm fighting though. Their movements, "tells" .
Reply:Befriend them and make them your ally.....
But if we are just talking about friendly sparring.....lol
Remember, just because you may not see a sidekick counter, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A sidekick is one of the more common kicks, so I'm sure there exists a counter or two.
A straight stand up fight....depends on how you fight really. But how I fight, I tend to want to keep people away so I can use my feet. Since Wing Chun is a more close up fighting style, keep them at a distance as much as possible. But becareful because your Wing Chun master might also know other styles of martial arts.
Every attack has a counter to it. The question is, are you good enough to employ the counter/evade/block?
In the end, its about skill level and who's "on" on that particular day of sparring/fighting.
Reply:Wing Chun masters try to control the center line and deflect and redirect you, they love to stay in front of you.You can attack below the knees, try to take them to the ground,or use Ba-Gua tech and circle around them and attack from the side or rear.
Reply:ive fought with kung fu guys before, the ones ive battled stand up only seem to have difficulties if you break your rhythm and speed consantly while boxing and throw combos, they have strong blocks for one move but ofen will open themselves for other shots. and you can throw roundhouses you just need to catch him with a thai style kick to make him lose balance so even if he blocks, u can combo up and go in for the kill. and remember to attack at angles instead of straight on.
Reply:That's easy. Head kicks. I do wing chun myself and know for a fact that a. we do little kicking and most of our art is in-close hand work. If you can keep a distance from me and manage to have some great kicks then you can beat me easily. It is damaging to the person recieving the kick EVEN IF IT IS BLOCKED if the kick is high. Unless you can dodge the kick then getting kicked in the hands by a black belt in TKD freaking hurts really bad... but you don't get KO'd heh which is good. This is what Mirko Filipovic does and how he beats a lot of fist strikers. He takes them out before they can strike with his ultra fast and super powerful kicks. Wing chun is very good at defending low and medium kicks but honestly high kick defense is the arts weakness i believe, from experience. Muay Thai for example teaches probably the best high kick defense.
Reply:Boxing has the answer to WC. It's called the 'hook'. It's how you hit someone who is always coming straight in.
Most WC 'masters' have never tested their skills anyways, I wouldn't worry about it. It's very nice looking, but ultimately you will never fight one, and if you did, you wouldn't see any WC in the fight.
Is this Wing Chun school good or bad?
Here is the link:
http://www.wingchun.com.au/
Do you think it is a good school for practical and effective defense? Some bad things I have noticed is that they don't teach the wooden dummy to people who haven't trained for many years(6 years I think!) and they seem a little too carried away with the "soft" side of wing chun. But maybe the soft side of wing chun does indeed work...I don't know.
I also saw a demonstration of Jim Fung, and his one inch punch was impressive. He also did the push thing where he twisted his wrists and the guy went flying. Bad thing is, Jim Fung has died from throat cancer so maybe his skills don't really make a difference now...
So what do you think?
Is this Wing Chun school good or bad?
Every style of martial arts has its benefits and weaknesses. I personally hold black belts in hapkido, karate, tae kwon do, and have practiced muy thai, and brazilian jiu-jitsu. I have fought a lot of different styles. Wing chun does indeed work as an self defense method. My only advice to you is this: If you are needing to ask if this is a good system then maybe it is not the system for you. Attend a class and ask yourself. Do I like the teacher and his methods? Do I like the environment of the school and the energy reflected from its values and students? No matter how good any system is, if you as a student do not feel comfortable in the environment you will not be able to learn and the experience will be disappointing.
Be comfortable in your school, enjoy yourself, and believe in the teachings of your system and master.
Reply:yeap it's good 4 self defence.
Reply:I have studied Wing Chun since I was 10, I know my Sifu started me with a very soft form that has really benefited me in my current studies. If you have concerns about the way they are teaching, talk to the Sifu. But from what I saw and read on the website, they are teaching it correctly. It really does work, just stick with it
Reply:It says server not found?
Reply:I've heard both good and bad things about this school.
There are some teachers that I would look up before going here if I were in your shoes. In Melbourne:
Joe Molnar (not teaching full time but does teach 1 class a week in Boronia at Peter Atkin's school Eatern Wing Chun)
Peter Atkin
Joe Sayer
William Chueng (I know that he is the supposed Grand master and the afore mentioned people are from his line but from what I hear William costs a lot and holds a lot of information back these days)
In Sydney I would go with Rick Spain.
I'm sure there are many more great Sifu's out there but in my experience it is the students of these teachers that have not only great technical knowledge, but are usually good fighters too.
wall flower
http://www.wingchun.com.au/
Do you think it is a good school for practical and effective defense? Some bad things I have noticed is that they don't teach the wooden dummy to people who haven't trained for many years(6 years I think!) and they seem a little too carried away with the "soft" side of wing chun. But maybe the soft side of wing chun does indeed work...I don't know.
I also saw a demonstration of Jim Fung, and his one inch punch was impressive. He also did the push thing where he twisted his wrists and the guy went flying. Bad thing is, Jim Fung has died from throat cancer so maybe his skills don't really make a difference now...
So what do you think?
Is this Wing Chun school good or bad?
Every style of martial arts has its benefits and weaknesses. I personally hold black belts in hapkido, karate, tae kwon do, and have practiced muy thai, and brazilian jiu-jitsu. I have fought a lot of different styles. Wing chun does indeed work as an self defense method. My only advice to you is this: If you are needing to ask if this is a good system then maybe it is not the system for you. Attend a class and ask yourself. Do I like the teacher and his methods? Do I like the environment of the school and the energy reflected from its values and students? No matter how good any system is, if you as a student do not feel comfortable in the environment you will not be able to learn and the experience will be disappointing.
Be comfortable in your school, enjoy yourself, and believe in the teachings of your system and master.
Reply:yeap it's good 4 self defence.
Reply:I have studied Wing Chun since I was 10, I know my Sifu started me with a very soft form that has really benefited me in my current studies. If you have concerns about the way they are teaching, talk to the Sifu. But from what I saw and read on the website, they are teaching it correctly. It really does work, just stick with it
Reply:It says server not found?
Reply:I've heard both good and bad things about this school.
There are some teachers that I would look up before going here if I were in your shoes. In Melbourne:
Joe Molnar (not teaching full time but does teach 1 class a week in Boronia at Peter Atkin's school Eatern Wing Chun)
Peter Atkin
Joe Sayer
William Chueng (I know that he is the supposed Grand master and the afore mentioned people are from his line but from what I hear William costs a lot and holds a lot of information back these days)
In Sydney I would go with Rick Spain.
I'm sure there are many more great Sifu's out there but in my experience it is the students of these teachers that have not only great technical knowledge, but are usually good fighters too.
wall flower
Jujitsu or wing chun kung fu?
im doing wing chun atm but there is also a jujutsu class which is taught by a 9th dan black belt and is 'the best in the world' but if he's 9th dan i wont doubt his capabilities, anyway i cant do both cause the classes clash, i have been doing wing chun for over a year but is jujutsu better and will it help more in real life thanks
Jujitsu or wing chun kung fu?
i think they wont clash because jiu jitsu is a grappling art and wing chun is striking
Reply:A Gracie? Rorion? His academy is in Torrance, CA but if you are just starting I doubt you will get direct training from such a high rank. That would be amazing to be taught by someone with those creds. I believe that is a red belt or is that 10th degree?Take it, man.
Reply:Jujitsu will be your best bet. the Kung fu stuff is flashy and looks impressive and may help you develop some coordination, but jujitsu will help you more in the real world. go back to the wing chun after you black belt in jujitsu and use it as a way to fill out your martial knowledge.
Reply:jiujitsu can be useful in a real street defence but if your opponent has friends with him forget it, you'll turn into left over meat for animals.
WIng chun is great for street defence against multiple people if you know how to bring them in a straight line and push them around. and by the time you take them to the ground they'll probably be ****** up.
jiujitsu is a great art, i take it but forget it if the person has friends. but on the good side, if it's one person who's bigger and bulkier than you, you can apply it on him, jiujitsu is leverage, not brute strength. In my opinion stay with wing chun, master it then move on to juijitsu unless you find another school that teaches it at a different time than wing chun.
Reply:depends on what you like Wing Chun is striking and Jiu jitsu is ground, i hav a lot of friends who take Wing Chun and they are incredibly fast, both are effective for street fighting so if thats what you want then you have chosen two great arts
Reply:Phillip C nailed it.
Reply:there is only one way to find out .try it .good luck.
Reply:Training in two school at the same time???? I will not teach you...If it is found out...you are likely to be kick out of both school...maybe beaten up
Reply:Both good but stick with wing chun until you feel you are comfortable then have a go at jujitsu as its great for self defense
Reply:sorry... just want to lol at Kelly C.
lol
ok done now... onto the question
its entirely up to you, if you want to learn how to grapple, go for that, if you want to learn how to strike go that direction.
Personally i prefer striking. I'm naturally gifted at grappling but the idea of training in it never really talked to me.
One warning, from what i've seen in some juijitsu and BJJ clubs, the lessons are very hands on. As in when your learning how to apply an armbar after a takedown, you WILL be taking that guy down and then you WILL be applying the arm bar on him. And likewise he'll be doing the same to you.
If you have the time and money then take both, (now refering to the point by kelly C)
Howevr if you do decide to take both then talk to your instructor (current) and ask his views on it, some closed minded instructors refuse to teach students who aren't dedicated 100% to the one art. Likewise you'd want to speak to the instructor of the juijitsu place.
Jujitsu or wing chun kung fu?
i think they wont clash because jiu jitsu is a grappling art and wing chun is striking
Reply:A Gracie? Rorion? His academy is in Torrance, CA but if you are just starting I doubt you will get direct training from such a high rank. That would be amazing to be taught by someone with those creds. I believe that is a red belt or is that 10th degree?Take it, man.
Reply:Jujitsu will be your best bet. the Kung fu stuff is flashy and looks impressive and may help you develop some coordination, but jujitsu will help you more in the real world. go back to the wing chun after you black belt in jujitsu and use it as a way to fill out your martial knowledge.
Reply:jiujitsu can be useful in a real street defence but if your opponent has friends with him forget it, you'll turn into left over meat for animals.
WIng chun is great for street defence against multiple people if you know how to bring them in a straight line and push them around. and by the time you take them to the ground they'll probably be ****** up.
jiujitsu is a great art, i take it but forget it if the person has friends. but on the good side, if it's one person who's bigger and bulkier than you, you can apply it on him, jiujitsu is leverage, not brute strength. In my opinion stay with wing chun, master it then move on to juijitsu unless you find another school that teaches it at a different time than wing chun.
Reply:depends on what you like Wing Chun is striking and Jiu jitsu is ground, i hav a lot of friends who take Wing Chun and they are incredibly fast, both are effective for street fighting so if thats what you want then you have chosen two great arts
Reply:Phillip C nailed it.
Reply:there is only one way to find out .try it .good luck.
Reply:Training in two school at the same time???? I will not teach you...If it is found out...you are likely to be kick out of both school...maybe beaten up
Reply:Both good but stick with wing chun until you feel you are comfortable then have a go at jujitsu as its great for self defense
Reply:sorry... just want to lol at Kelly C.
lol
ok done now... onto the question
its entirely up to you, if you want to learn how to grapple, go for that, if you want to learn how to strike go that direction.
Personally i prefer striking. I'm naturally gifted at grappling but the idea of training in it never really talked to me.
One warning, from what i've seen in some juijitsu and BJJ clubs, the lessons are very hands on. As in when your learning how to apply an armbar after a takedown, you WILL be taking that guy down and then you WILL be applying the arm bar on him. And likewise he'll be doing the same to you.
If you have the time and money then take both, (now refering to the point by kelly C)
Howevr if you do decide to take both then talk to your instructor (current) and ask his views on it, some closed minded instructors refuse to teach students who aren't dedicated 100% to the one art. Likewise you'd want to speak to the instructor of the juijitsu place.
Making a Wing Chun Dummy...Design & Strongest type of wood!?!?
I want to make a wing chun dummy, i was just wondering if anyone can show me a link to pictures with a good desigs of wing chun dummies?
and what type of wood is used to make them? (or strongest type of wood you can suggest)??
Making a Wing Chun Dummy...Design %26amp; Strongest type of wood!?!?
Roger J put this link into an answer the other day: http://www.wckfc.com/news/dummy/index.ht...
as for wood, any hard wood would do. you could even get one made out of aluminium too. someone could weld it for you.
Reply:When I see a Hardwood Wing Chun Dummy like:http://www.mykaratestore.com/w... , what is that likely made from? Report It
and what type of wood is used to make them? (or strongest type of wood you can suggest)??
Making a Wing Chun Dummy...Design %26amp; Strongest type of wood!?!?
Roger J put this link into an answer the other day: http://www.wckfc.com/news/dummy/index.ht...
as for wood, any hard wood would do. you could even get one made out of aluminium too. someone could weld it for you.
Reply:When I see a Hardwood Wing Chun Dummy like:http://www.mykaratestore.com/w... , what is that likely made from? Report It
What about wing chun lags?
I know that wing chun is good whit hands, but what about the lags?do,s wing chun have good lag work?
What about wing chun lags?
buigstorm
Yes;0) This is an important question, because most people think Wing Chun only uses hands
In Modified Wing Chun I learned Nine forms of Kicks
1)Low Front Kick
2)Side Kick
3)Front Kick
4)Low Side Kick
5)Instep Kick
6)Outside Snap Kick .
7)Scraping Kick
8) Jart Kick \
9)Scraping Kick
These above Nine Leg concepts. relate directly to the use the leg. They are known as methods, directions but can best be described as principles of movement.
In connection to Wing Chun's Nine Kicks are Nine Leg Principles of movement. These nine concepts relate directly to the use the leg and can be used in combinations
1. Lifting
2. Pinning
3. Sweeping
4. Scooping
5. Smashing
6. Circling
7. snapping
8. sticking
9) Jamming
We also had Fourteen Leg Blocks also.
I understand in most Wing Chun systems there are Wing Chun's Eight Kicks
In connection to Wing Chun's Eight Kicks are Eight Leg Principles. These eight concepts relate directly to the use the leg and have Twelve Leg Blocks
I commend you for your search for knowleage I wish you the best on your path;0)
Devin Willis
Reply:There is only two kicks in Wing Chun. The Dim Cherk (Front Kick) and the Wrang Cherk (Side Kick). Both of the kicks are done linearly to the centerline. There are also Chi Cherk exercises. In Chi Cherk exericise they will develop with is called sticking leg and leg traping methods. You will learn the *** Cherk, Bong Cherk and Tan Cherk. There is also a Cherk Jong ( Wooden leg Dummy) where you can practice your leg work. One will do an exercise called distance control to void or jam most kicks.
What about wing chun lags?
buigstorm
Yes;0) This is an important question, because most people think Wing Chun only uses hands
In Modified Wing Chun I learned Nine forms of Kicks
1)Low Front Kick
2)Side Kick
3)Front Kick
4)Low Side Kick
5)Instep Kick
6)Outside Snap Kick .
7)Scraping Kick
8) Jart Kick \
9)Scraping Kick
These above Nine Leg concepts. relate directly to the use the leg. They are known as methods, directions but can best be described as principles of movement.
In connection to Wing Chun's Nine Kicks are Nine Leg Principles of movement. These nine concepts relate directly to the use the leg and can be used in combinations
1. Lifting
2. Pinning
3. Sweeping
4. Scooping
5. Smashing
6. Circling
7. snapping
8. sticking
9) Jamming
We also had Fourteen Leg Blocks also.
I understand in most Wing Chun systems there are Wing Chun's Eight Kicks
In connection to Wing Chun's Eight Kicks are Eight Leg Principles. These eight concepts relate directly to the use the leg and have Twelve Leg Blocks
I commend you for your search for knowleage I wish you the best on your path;0)
Devin Willis
Reply:There is only two kicks in Wing Chun. The Dim Cherk (Front Kick) and the Wrang Cherk (Side Kick). Both of the kicks are done linearly to the centerline. There are also Chi Cherk exercises. In Chi Cherk exericise they will develop with is called sticking leg and leg traping methods. You will learn the *** Cherk, Bong Cherk and Tan Cherk. There is also a Cherk Jong ( Wooden leg Dummy) where you can practice your leg work. One will do an exercise called distance control to void or jam most kicks.
How is Wing Chun like?
Is the Wing Chun method of fighting about gettting close to the opponent so that he is unable to kick or even punch you?
Is Wing Chun the same as Wing Tsun?
How is Wing Chun like?
Defense
Parrying or deflecting blows on defense, rather than using m
muscular force to block or absorb a blow, parrying deals a blow, throws opponent off balance to allow a finishing move to injury or kill opponent.
Offense
Short range strikes (i.e. 1 inch punch)
Fast straight low kicks
Wing Chun is a highly underrated fightting technique best suited for street fighting imho
Reply:Wing Chun=Wing Tsun
Same art different name...
Reply:Wing Chun, in its know form, is very basic and simplistic. The funny thing is, Wing Chun was created for women to defend themselves in the small alleyways of china.The men back then had no respect for the women and would randomly grab them in the streets. All of the attacks and defenses are close to the body and the main stance(hourglass of pigeon-toe stance) is designed to block the groin. The stance kept men from grabbing the woman's crotch. The guard is tight to the body and protects the chest, which prevented men from grabbing the woman's chest.
Reply:Wing Chun was the name of the woman who originated the art.
peach fruit
Is Wing Chun the same as Wing Tsun?
How is Wing Chun like?
Defense
Parrying or deflecting blows on defense, rather than using m
muscular force to block or absorb a blow, parrying deals a blow, throws opponent off balance to allow a finishing move to injury or kill opponent.
Offense
Short range strikes (i.e. 1 inch punch)
Fast straight low kicks
Wing Chun is a highly underrated fightting technique best suited for street fighting imho
Reply:Wing Chun=Wing Tsun
Same art different name...
Reply:Wing Chun, in its know form, is very basic and simplistic. The funny thing is, Wing Chun was created for women to defend themselves in the small alleyways of china.The men back then had no respect for the women and would randomly grab them in the streets. All of the attacks and defenses are close to the body and the main stance(hourglass of pigeon-toe stance) is designed to block the groin. The stance kept men from grabbing the woman's crotch. The guard is tight to the body and protects the chest, which prevented men from grabbing the woman's chest.
Reply:Wing Chun was the name of the woman who originated the art.
peach fruit
Muay Thai or Wing Chun for self defense?
I have done Taekwondo or 3 years, but high flashy kicks are not very convenient as I may be cold, have bad pants or be close to the opponent.
I have been doing research on Wing Chun for some months. I have learned the first form just for general knowledge when choosing a school. Wing Chun really attracts me with it's scientific fighting and speed plus being street practical.
But lately I have seen some videos and many comments on Muay Thai, and it seems very practical since it is uncorrupted with flashy moves, "traditional" training methods and trains hard giving more confidence.
Finding a good Wing Chun school is hard since many of them get carried away with the "soft" side and Muay Thai seems to attract alot of the hooligan "gangster" types. Which one should I do?
Please include in your answer advice on finding a school(for example, how do I tell the hooligans from the good muay thai guys?).
Muay Thai or Wing Chun for self defense?
in my opinion, Wing Chun is better for self-defense but Muay Thai is better for fighting in the ring.. you'll get lots of people on here telling you that a Wing Chun fighters always lose to Muay Thai fighters, but they're mostly basing that off of fights in tournaments where they have rules.. in a real street fight a Wing Chun fighter would get in close and poke your eye out, but of course that's not allowed in the ring.. don't get me wrong though.. Muay Thai is undoubtedly good for self-defense as well.. regardless of which martial art you pick, it's going to come down to how much you practice.. a Wing Chun student who practices for 1 hour a week is going to get slaughtered by a Muay Thai student who practices for 3 hours every day..
Reply:I wish I could be a better help, but I studied a martial art for many years. the Master was extremely skilled and I learned a lot. I can't remember the name of the martial art because my Master could not speak English. However, what we practiced involved a lot of hair pulling and scratching. In the more advanced classes you're taught how to bite people on the nuts.
Reply:orzgu, your teacher showed you how to bite people on the nuts? this teacher must of had problems. To answer the tread starter question, quick answer, if ou want self defense, chose wing chun, if you wanna go to tournaments, chose muay thai.
Point Finale
Reply:Both martial arts are very efficient, I'm biased to muay thai since I've trained it for 4 years. I don't know which schools your've checked out, but where i train the people are students and professionals, everybody is well-mannered and respectful, no hooligans or gansta wannabes (they'd get their butts kicked).
Muay thai doesn't have flashy movies, you train to fight, and it's definetely very practical. The best advice i can give you about a school, is just go and talk to the people, worst case scenario if they are hooligans, you'll make interesting friends, and remember you are to learn martial arts, even if you have to spar hooligans and gansta wannabees you'll still learn provided the instructors are good.
Reply:Very good question.
I really don't know much about Wing Chun, but based on the first answerer's response it sounds like it is a style that is very passive and chiefly defensive. This type of Martial Art would be well suited to you if you are not fond of pain and you want to be able to ward off an attacker with motion by deflecting and redirecting the attacker's blows - Effectively, make them give up and go away.
Muay Thai, on the other hand, is an Art I know a little about. The training involved is very intense, extremely demanding, and it is painful to be sure. Muay Thai is akin to street fighting in that you will learn to throw just about every kind of strike and kick imaginable. Far from being passive, it is a very aggressive, straight forward, attacking and conquering style of fighting that intends to inflict great bodily harm on the attacker or opponent.
The URL I am including below is for schools associated with the Thai Boxing Association of the U.S.A. Ajarn Surachai Sirisute was my trainer/manager during most of my fighting career. I guarantee you that this is the "REAL THING" - No hooligans here!
http://www.thaiboxing.com/schools.php?SI...
Have fun and remember to keep em up!
Reply:The style is much less important than your training style, and the individual school you attend. Even your high-kicking Tae Kwon Do can be great for defense. Picture this: If you can consistently deliver a powerful kick at your own head-height in 0.25 second, do you think you can develop an even faster kick at hip- or torso-height? Tae Kwon Do also includes elbow, knee, and forearm strikes, as well as short punches. Most schools just do not stress these techniques, so you'll have to practice them on a heavy bag on your own.
Spend some time personally checking out schools in your area. How you feel in the school will help you determine how well you train. If you find a school you like, see if you can have a frank discussion with a senior instructor, and share your concerns and desires. Most large schools usually have at least one senior person who is big, strong, and experienced enough to throw down a little harder with you. At 6'3 and 260, that person tended to be me :) Just make sure that they have a supportive attitude and let you set the intensity level. You should only be concerned with taking some solid hits - not receiving actual injuries.
You might also want to round out your experience with some aggressive grappling/trapping/throwing styles, especially those that include ground fighting. Your Tae Kwon Do training will serve you best from longer ranges, but probably leaves you lacking when someone throws you to the ground and lands on top of you.
Reply:In my humble opinion Wing Chung is best for self-defense, as that is what is was designed. Wing Chung teaches you weapons (butterfly knives), defense against weapons, and multiple attack defense.
For street fighting and self-defense I found it best to avoid the 'ring styles' of fighting, including Muy Thai.
Reply:Muay Thai is for fighting, Wing Chun is more for self defense.
Reply:you should try kyokushin karate,there are no hooligans in there
I have been doing research on Wing Chun for some months. I have learned the first form just for general knowledge when choosing a school. Wing Chun really attracts me with it's scientific fighting and speed plus being street practical.
But lately I have seen some videos and many comments on Muay Thai, and it seems very practical since it is uncorrupted with flashy moves, "traditional" training methods and trains hard giving more confidence.
Finding a good Wing Chun school is hard since many of them get carried away with the "soft" side and Muay Thai seems to attract alot of the hooligan "gangster" types. Which one should I do?
Please include in your answer advice on finding a school(for example, how do I tell the hooligans from the good muay thai guys?).
Muay Thai or Wing Chun for self defense?
in my opinion, Wing Chun is better for self-defense but Muay Thai is better for fighting in the ring.. you'll get lots of people on here telling you that a Wing Chun fighters always lose to Muay Thai fighters, but they're mostly basing that off of fights in tournaments where they have rules.. in a real street fight a Wing Chun fighter would get in close and poke your eye out, but of course that's not allowed in the ring.. don't get me wrong though.. Muay Thai is undoubtedly good for self-defense as well.. regardless of which martial art you pick, it's going to come down to how much you practice.. a Wing Chun student who practices for 1 hour a week is going to get slaughtered by a Muay Thai student who practices for 3 hours every day..
Reply:I wish I could be a better help, but I studied a martial art for many years. the Master was extremely skilled and I learned a lot. I can't remember the name of the martial art because my Master could not speak English. However, what we practiced involved a lot of hair pulling and scratching. In the more advanced classes you're taught how to bite people on the nuts.
Reply:orzgu, your teacher showed you how to bite people on the nuts? this teacher must of had problems. To answer the tread starter question, quick answer, if ou want self defense, chose wing chun, if you wanna go to tournaments, chose muay thai.
Point Finale
Reply:Both martial arts are very efficient, I'm biased to muay thai since I've trained it for 4 years. I don't know which schools your've checked out, but where i train the people are students and professionals, everybody is well-mannered and respectful, no hooligans or gansta wannabes (they'd get their butts kicked).
Muay thai doesn't have flashy movies, you train to fight, and it's definetely very practical. The best advice i can give you about a school, is just go and talk to the people, worst case scenario if they are hooligans, you'll make interesting friends, and remember you are to learn martial arts, even if you have to spar hooligans and gansta wannabees you'll still learn provided the instructors are good.
Reply:Very good question.
I really don't know much about Wing Chun, but based on the first answerer's response it sounds like it is a style that is very passive and chiefly defensive. This type of Martial Art would be well suited to you if you are not fond of pain and you want to be able to ward off an attacker with motion by deflecting and redirecting the attacker's blows - Effectively, make them give up and go away.
Muay Thai, on the other hand, is an Art I know a little about. The training involved is very intense, extremely demanding, and it is painful to be sure. Muay Thai is akin to street fighting in that you will learn to throw just about every kind of strike and kick imaginable. Far from being passive, it is a very aggressive, straight forward, attacking and conquering style of fighting that intends to inflict great bodily harm on the attacker or opponent.
The URL I am including below is for schools associated with the Thai Boxing Association of the U.S.A. Ajarn Surachai Sirisute was my trainer/manager during most of my fighting career. I guarantee you that this is the "REAL THING" - No hooligans here!
http://www.thaiboxing.com/schools.php?SI...
Have fun and remember to keep em up!
Reply:The style is much less important than your training style, and the individual school you attend. Even your high-kicking Tae Kwon Do can be great for defense. Picture this: If you can consistently deliver a powerful kick at your own head-height in 0.25 second, do you think you can develop an even faster kick at hip- or torso-height? Tae Kwon Do also includes elbow, knee, and forearm strikes, as well as short punches. Most schools just do not stress these techniques, so you'll have to practice them on a heavy bag on your own.
Spend some time personally checking out schools in your area. How you feel in the school will help you determine how well you train. If you find a school you like, see if you can have a frank discussion with a senior instructor, and share your concerns and desires. Most large schools usually have at least one senior person who is big, strong, and experienced enough to throw down a little harder with you. At 6'3 and 260, that person tended to be me :) Just make sure that they have a supportive attitude and let you set the intensity level. You should only be concerned with taking some solid hits - not receiving actual injuries.
You might also want to round out your experience with some aggressive grappling/trapping/throwing styles, especially those that include ground fighting. Your Tae Kwon Do training will serve you best from longer ranges, but probably leaves you lacking when someone throws you to the ground and lands on top of you.
Reply:In my humble opinion Wing Chung is best for self-defense, as that is what is was designed. Wing Chung teaches you weapons (butterfly knives), defense against weapons, and multiple attack defense.
For street fighting and self-defense I found it best to avoid the 'ring styles' of fighting, including Muy Thai.
Reply:Muay Thai is for fighting, Wing Chun is more for self defense.
Reply:you should try kyokushin karate,there are no hooligans in there
Is Wing Chun a strong martial art? Also was Bruce Lee a bad *** in a REAL fight?
I found a wing chun school in my area and i am going to check it out this week. But it is to my understanding that wing chun was Bruce Lee's base martial art. But what i would like to know is.... was Bruce lee a good fighter in actual combat? Yes I did ask it. I know he was a great fighter in the movies but i have never heard anyone talk about him fight in a real fight. And i know that martial arts depends on the practitioner but is it as its self a practical martial art? thanks in advance.
Is Wing Chun a strong martial art? Also was Bruce Lee a bad *** in a REAL fight?
I've been lucky enough to study Jeet Kune Do since 1978 and have been lucky enough to train under many of Bruce's students and was one of only three UK instructors to be invited by Bruce's widow and students to the first JKD Nucleus event in San Francisco in 1997.
Firstly, on the Wing Chun side. Wing Chun is a superb martial art with lots of self-defence strengths. It is exceedingly practical and is not really a competition style. Rather it emphasises direct attacks in the most economical of ways.
Secondly, Bruce was a superb fighter on the street and within the martial arts. His first and ONLY studied art was Wing Chun and to this end, Bruce said on many occasions his only instructor was Grandmaster Yip Man.
When he moved to the USA, he discovered his art was limited when it came across larger built fighters from other disciplines (such as boxing, wrestling, judo, etc.) so he brought together ideas from Western fencing, boxing and Wing Chun into a base art commonly termed Jun Fan these days. This was the core base for his development of his art Jeet Kune Do. JKD is not a hybrid art or an art which is a 'combination'. It is an art with a structure and rules which allow an individual to adapt the art and its tools to individual needs.
So if you are asking if Wing Chun is a capable self defence art, then yes it is undoubtedly.
Could Bruce fight? Yes he fought in Hong Kong (many gang fights and many club fights) and in the USA (karate exponents, kung fu masters) and on film sets where he was challenged by punks.
Reply:Bruce Lees first art was Wing Chun. After he moved to America however, he started criticizing WC for its unrealistic practices. He switched to a more Boxing and Wrestling approch to things. Judging by your language I assume your still in school Id say try to join the wrestling team if you want to learn how to fight. If your school doesnt have one look for either Judo, Brazillian Jiu-jitsu, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Sambo, Boxing, Mauy Thai, or Kickboxing. Hope I helped
Reply:Wing Chun is very effective. The basic principle of Wing Chun is using the most effective path to your target. It uses trapping, straight punches, strikes to the eyes, groin, and face to neutralize an opponent.
There are many schools which teach ineffective Wing Chun but there are some good schools out there.
Reply:I disagree with the other reply. Yes Bruce Lee did study Wing Chun. He studied Wing Chun under one of the best Wing Chun artist Ip Man. After he had to leave China (beat someone up) and he came hear to the USA he observed Boxing, Fencing, Jujitsu, Karate, Taekwondo, and Iscrima He took the parts of each he thought would work best and developed JKD. But what many people do is miss the big picture-JKD is not really an art but a combination of arts. He realized that everybody is different and has different body mechanics. So he taught everybody differently and he constantly evolved this concept. As for Wing Chun-it is a real good art to learn. I studied it for a two years before I got moved by my company. Still use many of the blocks and traps. If the school is good your lucky to have one in your area. As for street fights- Bruce Lee was challenged many times - if you get a chance there is a documentary on A%26amp;E it tells a lot about Bruce Lee and his life and history. Plus you can go to the Bruce Lee Foundation and learn more
Reply:I love how people are giving thumbs down to anyone who says Wing Chun is good, simply because they've never heard the name mentioned on UFC before. So you know, its gotta be bad.
A sad human being you are when your arsenal of martial arts knowledge comes from what you saw on TV, yet you try to pass yourself off as someone who knows what their talking about.
Wing Chun has the same weakness that every other martial art has, it is not complete. Later on you'll need to cross train just like Bruce Lee did. However Wing Chun is an amazing base art. It is one of the most economic and technical striking arts I've ever seen. Bruce Lee, while he was studying Wing Chun under Yip Man, won the Hong Kong boxing championships. He knocked out everyone in the first round except for when he made it into the championship round, where he KO'd the previous 3 time champion in the 3rd round.
Reply:welll.... Mr. T was bruce lee's body guard.... so take that how you will....
Reply:Bruce Lee did not do Wing Chung he did Jun Fan Gung Fu was his base before JKD but Bruce wsa discovered by his fighting ability so yea if u look at his movie biography(played by Jason Scott Lee) he was fighting before he was a superstar
wing ching is very good btw
Is Wing Chun a strong martial art? Also was Bruce Lee a bad *** in a REAL fight?
I've been lucky enough to study Jeet Kune Do since 1978 and have been lucky enough to train under many of Bruce's students and was one of only three UK instructors to be invited by Bruce's widow and students to the first JKD Nucleus event in San Francisco in 1997.
Firstly, on the Wing Chun side. Wing Chun is a superb martial art with lots of self-defence strengths. It is exceedingly practical and is not really a competition style. Rather it emphasises direct attacks in the most economical of ways.
Secondly, Bruce was a superb fighter on the street and within the martial arts. His first and ONLY studied art was Wing Chun and to this end, Bruce said on many occasions his only instructor was Grandmaster Yip Man.
When he moved to the USA, he discovered his art was limited when it came across larger built fighters from other disciplines (such as boxing, wrestling, judo, etc.) so he brought together ideas from Western fencing, boxing and Wing Chun into a base art commonly termed Jun Fan these days. This was the core base for his development of his art Jeet Kune Do. JKD is not a hybrid art or an art which is a 'combination'. It is an art with a structure and rules which allow an individual to adapt the art and its tools to individual needs.
So if you are asking if Wing Chun is a capable self defence art, then yes it is undoubtedly.
Could Bruce fight? Yes he fought in Hong Kong (many gang fights and many club fights) and in the USA (karate exponents, kung fu masters) and on film sets where he was challenged by punks.
Reply:Bruce Lees first art was Wing Chun. After he moved to America however, he started criticizing WC for its unrealistic practices. He switched to a more Boxing and Wrestling approch to things. Judging by your language I assume your still in school Id say try to join the wrestling team if you want to learn how to fight. If your school doesnt have one look for either Judo, Brazillian Jiu-jitsu, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Sambo, Boxing, Mauy Thai, or Kickboxing. Hope I helped
Reply:Wing Chun is very effective. The basic principle of Wing Chun is using the most effective path to your target. It uses trapping, straight punches, strikes to the eyes, groin, and face to neutralize an opponent.
There are many schools which teach ineffective Wing Chun but there are some good schools out there.
Reply:I disagree with the other reply. Yes Bruce Lee did study Wing Chun. He studied Wing Chun under one of the best Wing Chun artist Ip Man. After he had to leave China (beat someone up) and he came hear to the USA he observed Boxing, Fencing, Jujitsu, Karate, Taekwondo, and Iscrima He took the parts of each he thought would work best and developed JKD. But what many people do is miss the big picture-JKD is not really an art but a combination of arts. He realized that everybody is different and has different body mechanics. So he taught everybody differently and he constantly evolved this concept. As for Wing Chun-it is a real good art to learn. I studied it for a two years before I got moved by my company. Still use many of the blocks and traps. If the school is good your lucky to have one in your area. As for street fights- Bruce Lee was challenged many times - if you get a chance there is a documentary on A%26amp;E it tells a lot about Bruce Lee and his life and history. Plus you can go to the Bruce Lee Foundation and learn more
Reply:I love how people are giving thumbs down to anyone who says Wing Chun is good, simply because they've never heard the name mentioned on UFC before. So you know, its gotta be bad.
A sad human being you are when your arsenal of martial arts knowledge comes from what you saw on TV, yet you try to pass yourself off as someone who knows what their talking about.
Wing Chun has the same weakness that every other martial art has, it is not complete. Later on you'll need to cross train just like Bruce Lee did. However Wing Chun is an amazing base art. It is one of the most economic and technical striking arts I've ever seen. Bruce Lee, while he was studying Wing Chun under Yip Man, won the Hong Kong boxing championships. He knocked out everyone in the first round except for when he made it into the championship round, where he KO'd the previous 3 time champion in the 3rd round.
Reply:welll.... Mr. T was bruce lee's body guard.... so take that how you will....
Reply:Bruce Lee did not do Wing Chung he did Jun Fan Gung Fu was his base before JKD but Bruce wsa discovered by his fighting ability so yea if u look at his movie biography(played by Jason Scott Lee) he was fighting before he was a superstar
wing ching is very good btw
Wing Chun help! How can I close the gap between my instructor and myself?
I've been doing Wing Chun for a few years now and just when I think I'm starting to get good I'll spar with my instructor and he beats me effortlessly. I always get so discouraged when I spar with him because he can beat me absent-mindedly while carrying on a conversation with someone. No matter how much I practice or how hard I try, I can't come close to matching him. I do the forms every day, but it seems like I could practice for ten years and I still not be able to match him. Other than the forms, what else can I do to improve my Wing Chun skills? Anyone have any ideas?
Wing Chun help! How can I close the gap between my instructor and myself?
Two things for you, one: You've already lost because you are TRYING to beat your teacher. You answered yourself there. He can beat you while holding a conversation. That doesn't mean that he's not thinking just that his mind is uncluttered with thoughts like "I have to beat this student" like yours is cluttered with "have to win have to win".
By TRYING to beat him you are actually helping / telling him how to beat you. Because of your strong intentions of domination you will be more easily lead. Next time you do it, don't TRY, just do it with the mind that if there is an opening . .go for it. I am not saying that he won't still beat you but you should notice a change. And if you really get the hang of it so will he.
And secondly. When he teaches you, he is practicing also, as stated above. But once you start training to get yourself better, for self improvement, and not for the purpose of beating your teacher, that is when you'll really start to improve.
Reply:Try a different school for a few months integrating your skills with the other skills - I started with one karate school then
changed to Jiu JItsu - I improved -
Reply:He's the instructor. If you could beat him, then your training would be complete. Keep in mind that every day that you train, he also trains so you never actually catch up to him. Your frustration is also a weakness. The more frustrated you get, the more predictable you become.
Remember, you are using the techniques that he taught you. It would only make sense that he knows how to counter them.
Reply:Welcome to the martial arts! You have received your first enlightenment that all sincere martial arts eventually experience: you can never truly master Wushu; or in my case, Budo, since I'm an Aikido guy. If you could beat your instructor after only a few years of study, then he's no instructor worth studying under!
Perhaps you should get together with other students of equal ranking and spar on your own outside of class. Forms alone are much different than sparring. Also, it wouldn't hurt to begin cross-training in another style. There's nothing like studying another style in order to reveal the weaknesses in another.
Reply:Dude. He's your instructor. If you could beat him, then you'd be the instructor.
Insted of getting discouraged when he defeats you, just think about how much you stand to gain by learning under a teacher who's that good, you know?
I mean, could Daniel beat Mr. Miyagi? No, but look at how much he learned from Mr. Miyagi.
Reply:by "sparring" do you mean "chi sau" as that is not sparring. Its a drill.
fight him with full resistance and attack like a boxer.
If you are sparring the "wing chun" way and have not cross trained your art, then you will not be a very good fighter.
One major critisism of wing chun- and most CMAs is that they don't cross train outside the CMA sphere or even against other arts. Thus the reputation of Wing Chun is that it won't work against other arts.
Whether you agree or not this is the perception and even if you do train hard within your own school. If this is the case then take this into account and try your skills cross-training.
If you have done this realistic type of training and still can't beat him using techniques other than wing chun then it is because he is better than you and what he is teaching has merit.
Reply:You are not supposed to beat him because he could probably kill you if he wanted to. If you want to fight then do like I do and talk some **** while playing basketball or get drunk and grab some girls a s s. Or you can join a fighting club or a tourneyment or I'm sure you can test your skills somewhere. :~)
Reply:Take up boxing and all of his chinese ****** slapping game will be thrown out of window. However be careful because that's when he will start to throw bunches of wild punches such as hay makers, windmill punches, hammer fist to top of the head, etc...
Reply:He is your Sifu.
What do you expect to do, teach him?
You may have learned the hand forms but have not been taught application yet or do not have enough San Sao (open hand sparring) experience yet.
A few years of martial arts experience against a Wing Chun Sifu is not enough.
Mind your arrogance and apply what you 've been taught.
On second thought join a TKD school.
Check out this article....
Karate Convert
--By Pete Spier
When I moved to Syracuse, NY, I did not know what I would find. I hold my First Dan in both Taekwondo and Hapkido and I worried about whether or not I would be able to find a school in which to continue my practice of the martial arts. Upon first consulting the local yellow pages, I was overwhelmed by how saturated the martial arts market was here. In Syracuse, there are literally, 34 different schools and branches to choose from, and that number is constantly growing! What to pursue?
After some consideration, I concluded that I would continue my studies of Taekwondo and Hapkido in an effort to attain my Second Dan. Taekwondo schools are in somewhat lesser numbers here. There are 3. One sounded reputable and the other two were clubs and fitness centers. Nevertheless, I called all 3. The one that returned my call was the more reputable sounding.
I attended a class there to observe and speak with the Master. It felt like a very commercial atmosphere; fancy uniforms, lots of mirrors, and nice carpeting. I chose to speak with the instructor, only to find that they were not a Master of the art. Rather, they themselves were a Second Dan. He explained to me that I would have to enter as a white belt because my school taught International Style Taekwondo though registered with the World Organization. They explained that some of their moves were modified while others were wholly World Organization Olympic Style. I was supposed to train with the black belts but wear a white belt while working my way through the belt tests; fortunately, witnessed, on occasion, by the Master, toward First Dan. In this way, following what he estimated would be a year, I would re-attain my First Dan and only then be allowed to pursue my Second Dan. They would not teach Hapkido nor weapons, of which I was also trained in. I chose to investigate other styles in our area.
After some degree of soul searching and research, I chose to take advantage of the only Wing Chun Kung Fu school around, Salt City Athletics. I attended my first class, participating in the workout and technique drills as a "hands on" way of seeing whether or not I felt comfortable with the style. Unfortunately I did not. Not in the least.
The Wing Chun stance was close together, knees slightly bent, elbows in, and hands up. My Taekwondo stance was much wider and in it, I stood with my side facing my opponent. In Wing Chun, I was to face my opponent shoulders squared, head on. In Taekwondo, I had to hit hard and fast while snapping my kick or punch. In Wing Chun, I was supposed to hit quickly, though the choice of hard or soft was more determined by the situation than the style. It felt uncomfortable. I was continually reminded not to enter into my Taekwondo stance. "Keep that stance tight!" Sifu shouted. Additionally, Chin Na techniques differed from my Hapkido techniques in not using any pressure points and not requiring large arm movements or spinning.
The difference lead me to moments of frustration that made me strongly consider ending my study of it and settle a strangely deja vu white belt in Taekwondo. Then I began to learn the Sil Num Tao. In this first form, translated, "Small Ideas", I found the thing that made me wish to stick with the style. It was the key to why when I sparred with the other students, whenever I resorted to my Taekwondo training while they fought me on the inside, I consistently ended up arms crossed and near defenseless. It was the Sil Num Tao which taught me that small, tight, movements such as a basic wrist roll, in some situations was faster and more effective than was any of my previous karate training which would in order to address the same situation, take twice the energy that it took when I applied proper Wing Chun techniques. I have stayed with Wing Chun ever since and could now never return to karate.
Indeed there are things left over from my Taekwondo training which have given me a faster understanding of some techniques in Wing Chun. I find myself quick to understand the kicks, stretches, and some portions of the forms. However, at first it did hinder me. So how do I feel about now being a Wing Chun Kung Fu man? Surprisingly good. Especially since, in my case, the act of finding my new Wing Chun school and master, Sifu Walsh, might be considered as luck! My Taekwondo master was similar to many karate masters in promoting their own style and dismissing kung fu as ineffective! Thus, I never really thought that I would stick with Kung Fu. Instead I entered it thinking of it as some transitional training before pursuing another karate school as to give me an idea of what it was like to fight Kung Fu artists! Lesson learned: Don't knock it until you try it!
Copyright 1996. Pete Spier.
Wing Chun help! How can I close the gap between my instructor and myself?
Two things for you, one: You've already lost because you are TRYING to beat your teacher. You answered yourself there. He can beat you while holding a conversation. That doesn't mean that he's not thinking just that his mind is uncluttered with thoughts like "I have to beat this student" like yours is cluttered with "have to win have to win".
By TRYING to beat him you are actually helping / telling him how to beat you. Because of your strong intentions of domination you will be more easily lead. Next time you do it, don't TRY, just do it with the mind that if there is an opening . .go for it. I am not saying that he won't still beat you but you should notice a change. And if you really get the hang of it so will he.
And secondly. When he teaches you, he is practicing also, as stated above. But once you start training to get yourself better, for self improvement, and not for the purpose of beating your teacher, that is when you'll really start to improve.
Reply:Try a different school for a few months integrating your skills with the other skills - I started with one karate school then
changed to Jiu JItsu - I improved -
Reply:He's the instructor. If you could beat him, then your training would be complete. Keep in mind that every day that you train, he also trains so you never actually catch up to him. Your frustration is also a weakness. The more frustrated you get, the more predictable you become.
Remember, you are using the techniques that he taught you. It would only make sense that he knows how to counter them.
Reply:Welcome to the martial arts! You have received your first enlightenment that all sincere martial arts eventually experience: you can never truly master Wushu; or in my case, Budo, since I'm an Aikido guy. If you could beat your instructor after only a few years of study, then he's no instructor worth studying under!
Perhaps you should get together with other students of equal ranking and spar on your own outside of class. Forms alone are much different than sparring. Also, it wouldn't hurt to begin cross-training in another style. There's nothing like studying another style in order to reveal the weaknesses in another.
Reply:Dude. He's your instructor. If you could beat him, then you'd be the instructor.
Insted of getting discouraged when he defeats you, just think about how much you stand to gain by learning under a teacher who's that good, you know?
I mean, could Daniel beat Mr. Miyagi? No, but look at how much he learned from Mr. Miyagi.
Reply:by "sparring" do you mean "chi sau" as that is not sparring. Its a drill.
fight him with full resistance and attack like a boxer.
If you are sparring the "wing chun" way and have not cross trained your art, then you will not be a very good fighter.
One major critisism of wing chun- and most CMAs is that they don't cross train outside the CMA sphere or even against other arts. Thus the reputation of Wing Chun is that it won't work against other arts.
Whether you agree or not this is the perception and even if you do train hard within your own school. If this is the case then take this into account and try your skills cross-training.
If you have done this realistic type of training and still can't beat him using techniques other than wing chun then it is because he is better than you and what he is teaching has merit.
Reply:You are not supposed to beat him because he could probably kill you if he wanted to. If you want to fight then do like I do and talk some **** while playing basketball or get drunk and grab some girls a s s. Or you can join a fighting club or a tourneyment or I'm sure you can test your skills somewhere. :~)
Reply:Take up boxing and all of his chinese ****** slapping game will be thrown out of window. However be careful because that's when he will start to throw bunches of wild punches such as hay makers, windmill punches, hammer fist to top of the head, etc...
Reply:He is your Sifu.
What do you expect to do, teach him?
You may have learned the hand forms but have not been taught application yet or do not have enough San Sao (open hand sparring) experience yet.
A few years of martial arts experience against a Wing Chun Sifu is not enough.
Mind your arrogance and apply what you 've been taught.
On second thought join a TKD school.
Check out this article....
Karate Convert
--By Pete Spier
When I moved to Syracuse, NY, I did not know what I would find. I hold my First Dan in both Taekwondo and Hapkido and I worried about whether or not I would be able to find a school in which to continue my practice of the martial arts. Upon first consulting the local yellow pages, I was overwhelmed by how saturated the martial arts market was here. In Syracuse, there are literally, 34 different schools and branches to choose from, and that number is constantly growing! What to pursue?
After some consideration, I concluded that I would continue my studies of Taekwondo and Hapkido in an effort to attain my Second Dan. Taekwondo schools are in somewhat lesser numbers here. There are 3. One sounded reputable and the other two were clubs and fitness centers. Nevertheless, I called all 3. The one that returned my call was the more reputable sounding.
I attended a class there to observe and speak with the Master. It felt like a very commercial atmosphere; fancy uniforms, lots of mirrors, and nice carpeting. I chose to speak with the instructor, only to find that they were not a Master of the art. Rather, they themselves were a Second Dan. He explained to me that I would have to enter as a white belt because my school taught International Style Taekwondo though registered with the World Organization. They explained that some of their moves were modified while others were wholly World Organization Olympic Style. I was supposed to train with the black belts but wear a white belt while working my way through the belt tests; fortunately, witnessed, on occasion, by the Master, toward First Dan. In this way, following what he estimated would be a year, I would re-attain my First Dan and only then be allowed to pursue my Second Dan. They would not teach Hapkido nor weapons, of which I was also trained in. I chose to investigate other styles in our area.
After some degree of soul searching and research, I chose to take advantage of the only Wing Chun Kung Fu school around, Salt City Athletics. I attended my first class, participating in the workout and technique drills as a "hands on" way of seeing whether or not I felt comfortable with the style. Unfortunately I did not. Not in the least.
The Wing Chun stance was close together, knees slightly bent, elbows in, and hands up. My Taekwondo stance was much wider and in it, I stood with my side facing my opponent. In Wing Chun, I was to face my opponent shoulders squared, head on. In Taekwondo, I had to hit hard and fast while snapping my kick or punch. In Wing Chun, I was supposed to hit quickly, though the choice of hard or soft was more determined by the situation than the style. It felt uncomfortable. I was continually reminded not to enter into my Taekwondo stance. "Keep that stance tight!" Sifu shouted. Additionally, Chin Na techniques differed from my Hapkido techniques in not using any pressure points and not requiring large arm movements or spinning.
The difference lead me to moments of frustration that made me strongly consider ending my study of it and settle a strangely deja vu white belt in Taekwondo. Then I began to learn the Sil Num Tao. In this first form, translated, "Small Ideas", I found the thing that made me wish to stick with the style. It was the key to why when I sparred with the other students, whenever I resorted to my Taekwondo training while they fought me on the inside, I consistently ended up arms crossed and near defenseless. It was the Sil Num Tao which taught me that small, tight, movements such as a basic wrist roll, in some situations was faster and more effective than was any of my previous karate training which would in order to address the same situation, take twice the energy that it took when I applied proper Wing Chun techniques. I have stayed with Wing Chun ever since and could now never return to karate.
Indeed there are things left over from my Taekwondo training which have given me a faster understanding of some techniques in Wing Chun. I find myself quick to understand the kicks, stretches, and some portions of the forms. However, at first it did hinder me. So how do I feel about now being a Wing Chun Kung Fu man? Surprisingly good. Especially since, in my case, the act of finding my new Wing Chun school and master, Sifu Walsh, might be considered as luck! My Taekwondo master was similar to many karate masters in promoting their own style and dismissing kung fu as ineffective! Thus, I never really thought that I would stick with Kung Fu. Instead I entered it thinking of it as some transitional training before pursuing another karate school as to give me an idea of what it was like to fight Kung Fu artists! Lesson learned: Don't knock it until you try it!
Copyright 1996. Pete Spier.
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