Wing Chun is a very effective system! My instructor used to be into MMA, but he decided to focus primarily on Wing Chun after being impressed by this martial art. I have no doubt he could kill anyone in the UFC in a no-rules fight.
I've heard so many MMA people rip in Wing Chun. I'll admit there are some wimpy people who practice Wing Chun, but the martial art itself is very powerful.
I've known guys who have abandoned Muay Thai because they realized Wing Chun was more effective. Why doesn't Wing Chun get more respect?
Why is Wing Chun so disrespected among MMA people?
At the end of the day Wing Chun is a very popular and widely practiced martial art this in itself means that it attracts lots of people that are not and will never be any good and due to the money orientated focus of todays society these people grade through the system and eventually become teacher and so on and so on so eventually you've got a bunch of half arsed teachers teaching their half arsed skills to people calling it Wing Chun so no matter how good their student is they'll never get it because their teacher doesn't get it.
Anyway, whatever. And as for no sparring in Wing Chun what a load of crud, I practice sparring all of the time and love training with people from other styles and beleive it or not I use my Wing Chun stanct and footwork and it actually works from time to time lol.... I've actually found that of all the people that don't want to train with me it tends to be Muay Thai, this may because they think they're better than me or something or what I don't know, and yes I have trained with grapplers and yes they did take me to the ground and yes they did tap me out a few times, but maybe this will shock some people, many times I stayed on my feet and beat the christ out of them, and even a few times my "inferior" style managed to tap them out, one time while we were both still standing which baffeled my BJJ oponent a little.
Anyway.... Wing Chun is a practical and effective system, in fact it was built on those principals.
And Bruce Lee didn't stop practicing Wing Chun because he wanted to, he was not allowed to continue training in Wing Chun because he was teaching white people so he never learnt the rest of the system
Reply:Wing chun works, MMA is hype, all about the money, no respect for other arts. Report It
Reply:It is respected,afterall it is one of the strongest martial arts i have ever seen..
Reply:My guess is that some don't respect it because they don't understand it and it's not a "sport art". The way Wing Chun is designed, you can't actually use it without seriously injuring someone due to it's core of being a true self-defense art (just as you couldn't play tackle football without actually tackling someone).
That's not to say other arts aren't good for defense...but once you remove some of the tools of a style in order to make it "ring worthy", you've pretty much just raped the style of any of its full effectiveness.
I side with you and your instructor. I've done a few other arts and I've known people that have done more than me as well as a few natural scrappers. I have yet to meet someone that has tried Wing Chun and wasn't impressed at least a little.
Reply:Most people are small minded and think that whatever they are doing is the best and that they are the best at it, so they may put other stuff down.
All martial arts are effective if you are well trained.
Reply:"I have no doubt he could kill anyone in the UFC in a no-rules fight. "
That's why. Big claims and no action.
Every Wing Chun guy that has stepped up has lost, yet the community still likes to make this claim.
Reply:You must realize that in MMA, you are fighting a mixed style. A little bit of everything. "Jack of all trades, Master of none".
Wing Chun is a soft style of Martial arts, in the same category as tai chi. It was designed by a woman, so that power was not achieved by strength, but by speed, center-line, and balance. MMA practitioner tend to be muscle buffs that use hard style systems like, Tae Kwon Do, Mo Duk Kwan, Judo, Jujitsu, etc. These systems emphasizes the striking and force of a punch or a kick.
If you ask someone to throw a punch most likely they will flex their biceps at impact to try and show power. However the bicep is a pulling muscle, so in effect they are reducing their striking force.
Bruce lee was a great martial artist, and developed one of the first forms of MMA in his art Jeet Kun Do. He used kicking styles from Savat. Punching from Si lum Tau forms of Wing Chun, and various other arts from around the world. But the Common denominator in his system, was that he was A Wing Chun Practitioner, and learned from Yip Man. His Core Foundation was Good Training in one art. Once he developed his ability, then he branched out.
Learn the fundamentals and foundation of One System, when you master that system, you can begin to incorporate other styles, to become a more well rounded fighter.
MMA Fighters rarely master any system, and hence are the "Jacks".
Reply:MMA wrestlers AND their supporters are SISSIES, just because it takes you 30 mins to WRESTLE someone in to submission,does not mean you are a REAL fighter and the crap you do in the ring will work in the street. GET A LIFE!
Reply:Wasnt' video going around of 2 highlyrespected Wing Chun practitioners fighting, and they looked like some random bums off the street. I think maybe thats why MMA fighters look down on them. Guys do some research before you respond.
Here is one vid, there are higher quality ones online
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdF1nIAf...
Any martial artists who talks **** about MMA is like an alchemist who talks **** about Modern Science.
Reply:WOW! There are some completely arrogant, ignorant and misinformed people on here.
First off for the Bruce Lee disciple.
He thought Wing Chun was useless in a real fight, he most of his punching and footwork from boxing, not Wing Chun. He practiced Wing Chun for a very short time under Yip Man, after fighting Wong Jack Man, he felt it was pretty much useless in a real combat scenario.
From his Black Belt Magazine Interview
"Soon my fists began to swell from hitting his hard head. Right then I realized Wing Chun was not too practical and began to alter my way of fighting.""
So yes, his kicks were Savate, he used Judo, Wrestling, Western Boxing, and Fencing among others as a basis for HIS JKD. However, Jeet Kune Do isn't a style it is a philosophy of combining arts and techniques from arts to suit the individual, everyone's Jeet Kune Do would look different from each other. It is essentially the basis of MMA, using what is effective.
People rip Wing Chun because of the centerline principle, the chain punching, and the total lack of sparring. Chi Sao is not sparring, pushing hands is not sparring. While I feel a highly trained long time Chunnist could be somewhat effective, he is limited because his stance is unrealistic, and his chain punching is easily defended.
I highly doubt your instructor was in MMA, then decided to go into Wing Chun, unless he was awful at MMA, and decided he didn't want to get hit.
Heresay, talk, and lack of proof for guys switching arts to Wing Chun doesn't mean anything. I can point out plenty of artist from other arts that switched to MMA. Guys like Jason Delucia, Stephan Bonnar, Pat Smith, George St. Pierre,etc. etc.
Sune Templar remains ignorant, which is a shame. The people who talk about the chaotic nature of street fights or give it some sort of creedance that makes it this mysterious thing are the people who have never been in a street fight since the play ground. Adrenaline happens, things move fast, you go by instincts and if you have trained properly it takes over. They are supremely rare unless you in an occupation where you have to deal with it often.
Too many Martial Artist who refuse to see the truth in things give too much creedance to street fighting. First off 90 percent of the time one or both of the participants are drunk. They are also easily avoidable. Second off, they aren't the fight to death that people think they are. They usually end up in wrestling matches with bruises, maybe a bloody nose or black eye.
If you are in a street fight, and you do half of the sh*t that these guys say they would do, you will be judged by 12, and found guilty. If you are such a bad ***, taking someone out without having to maim them should be easy for you.
Personally I have taken a dozen or so people out without ever having to hit them period. I have seen my fellow MMA fighters who worked with me as bouncers at the bar do the same. We trained those who weren't fighters on how to do it as well.
However if you get in a street fight and immediately start clawing eyes, grabbing balls, and kicking knees, first you are going to have a surprise in the lack of effectiveness of these moves, second you are going to up the response of the person you are fighting who now feels they are in a loss of life or limb situation, and third, if successful, you will have a hell of a lot explaining to do to the cops and most likely an aggrevated assault charge you have to fight.
"Self Defense" is using the minimum amount of force necessary to stop a threat. Not maiming, killing, or crippling.
The great thing is most of these so called "experts" will never get into a real fight to do these things, additionally if they actually do, since they have no practical training in it, they will not do it even in a real fight as their instincts will take over.
"True Self Defense" situations are very rare, especially for men. We are very, very, very, seldom randomly attacked, especially unnarmed. Nobody jumps out the bushes and attempts to fight you, even to rob you. Most criminals wouldn't go through the trouble of doing that, they would rather not have to use that kind of effort for minimal reward. So pretty much the only time you will get in a hand to hand situation, is when someone is enraged to the point they want to fight, which usually means they are drunk, or could have been talked down long before then.
Then that is not a self defense situation. If you could have walked away, then it is not self defense. If you threw your guy to the ground, then jumped on him and started beating him, that is not self defense. Self Defense ended when you threw him to the ground and didn't use your opportunity to run.
Just so you know.
Real fights are easily avoidable, and anything you don't have practical experience in will go out the window. You go for an eye, so will your opponent. You go for the balls, so will your opponent. Unless you are poking out eyes, and doing groin shots in full speed sparring, your effectiveness in using it is only a theory. Unless you break bones regularly or hold a joint to the point of breaking at full speed in sparring against a resisting opponent it is just theory, there is no practical knowledge.
Sport fighters actually do their art in fully adrenalized situations against skilled opponents. They know their timing, kow openings in when to do it, and the reactions of what happens when they do it.
Guys who use terms like sport fighters know what it is like to hit a bag, or a makiwara, they practice complicated multistep techniques that require their opponent to essentially stand still. They talk about the deadly nature of street fighting as if there are death match challenges going on in the streets all the time, with people jumping out the bushes looking to kill you in hand to hand self defense. Yet they never hit each other, never bleed in training, never have someone go out them with everything they got. They just assume that eye gouge number 10, and arm break 14, will go off without a hitch and disable their opponent.
Yes, street fighting is chaotic, and the only way to prepare for it is to actually fight as close to it as you can. Regardless of what idiots will tell you, in the streets there are still rules. They are called laws. As much as you think you can break, kill, or maim someone, even in the fantasy world in which you live in. The truth is you can't, even in the most flexible states of self defense. And just because you may get away with something from the Law Enforcement side, doesn't mean you will get away from the civil suit side when someone sues you.
As I said, luckily you will probably never be placed in that situation, and you can remain ignorant of your true effectiveness in a fight, as well as the consequences. Hitting dummies, compliant partners, and defending pre choreographed attacks, along with your opponent throwing them at half speed, actually makes you less effective in a fight, as well as gives you a false sense of security in your abilities.
Only way to be a better fighter is to fight. The more you bleed in training, the less you bleed in battle, period.
Reply:Cause their backseat martial artists that thing BJJ/MT is the only thing that works. Martial arts are like tools, without a human skilled enough to master the tool, it is all but useless. Wing Chun is street proven. Ng Miu (I think thats her name), the female who invented Wing Chun fought off robbers/rapists with it and won. Thats why the style became famous in Southern China. Yip Man entered many competitions when he was younger and was undefeated.
Anyone who's gonna answer a "best martial art" thread with an actual name of a martial art, or even worse, with BJJ/Muay Thai is a backseat martial artist.
Reply:Without the breaking bones part, and unless weapons are involved the main ways a street fight would differ from MMA is eye gouges throat strikes and groin kicks, most martial arts have that anyway its just not something that can realisticaly be practice, what can be practiced and tested are punching and kicks and so far there has not been many wing chung students who have demonstrated that their punching and kicking style is better than Muay Thai for example, so since its too dangerous to test poking another guys eye out... MMA is where martial arts are put to the test
Oh and i have seen some Wing Chung guys fight in MMA, as soon as they get in the ring they switch to what looks like a kickboxing style, real fighting is alot dirtyer than practice
Reply:Tae Kwon Do is far superior to wing chun Which I might add a girl invented it. Thats why Bruce Lee studied Tae Kwon Do from my masters teacher when he came to the USA.
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