Anyone knows hiw would Western Boxing do versus Wing Chun kung fu?

I am interrested to know the comparaison betwen these 2 punching styles, I noticed that Western boxing is very much used in MMA fight and yet don't see much Wing Chun in MMA. Anyone knows how these 2 compare?

Anyone knows hiw would Western Boxing do versus Wing Chun kung fu?
without even examining the merits and weaknesses of wing chun and starting a HUGE debate that has been debated 1000x already.





The average boxer vs. the average wing chun practitioner?





they are both relatively equal sizes with relatively equal training times.





the AVERAGE boxer is likely going to pound the hell out of the AVERAGE chunner because the average wing chun school doesn't use resistance training techniques, sorry chi sau is not resistance.





Nor to they spar full-contact the way boxers do.





keep in mind that the average boxing school is not going to be some guy who watched rocky 1-5 (there was a 6?) and maybe raging bull and tried to start teaching based on the "moves" he saw in those movies.





It is likely you will find a wing chun school that is like this, fact is there is more fraud like this going on in CMA (chinese martial arts) than in any other type of martial arts.





you don't even need to get into specifics about each if you look at that.
Reply:Boxers spar, ALOT, that's why you see alof ot it on MMA, it's practical, they train alot and with fully resisting opponents.





Wing Chun is good but it's designed for close-quarter combat, in the octagon you can move around, go for take-downs, kick and son on, all this a wing chun practitioner would not be used to.





I wouldn't discard wing chun, keep in mind that this is the art where Bruce Lee started, but it's not as practical for MMA purposes.
Reply:There's a reason you don't see Wing Chun in MMA. It's because Wing Chun is not a realistic fighting system.





Practitioners of WC will ALWAYS say that, "Wing Chun is simply too deadly to be used in the ring," but the reality of the situation is that it is a useless form of slap-fighting.





Boxing is a PROVEN and battle tested form of striking, having been refined over the years down to less than a dozen effective and efficient strikes. It's called the Sweet Science for a reason.
Reply:Boxer would pound the crap out of the Wing Chun guy in a sparring match. It would be embarassing.
Reply:I know its a movie but its based on reality. watch Jet Li's Fearless. You will see what I mean near the end. He fights a huge American muscle machine and wins only due to superior techniques not strength.





Sure just a movie but it made a good point.
Reply:A western boxer is usually trained with more live sparring then a wing chun fighter and so would likely go into the ring with more experience - although the punching you see in MMA isn't really all that much like 'western boxing.'
Reply:feriswulf who answerd before is correct but if you would ever also watch a kung fu open hand stick and see how resiliant they are to pain you would know Wing Chun is better off.


Not only that but kung fu is much better spiritualy
Reply:Wing Chun is about evasion, deflection, and counter-attacking, all in one solid motion.Wing Chun is not about pitting strength against strength. Western Boxing is about using your speed and strength to brutalize your opponent. In fact, WIng CHun is almost the antithesis of Boxing. That is why no one in MMA uses Wing Chun: it is defensive, reactive, and weak, not powerful, offensive, and hard.
Reply:KungFu take longer to achieve most people doesn't achieve Wing Chun the way it suppose to be achieve. Boxing is easier to learn therefore boxing is more popular. Why did Wing Chun work for Bruce Lee? because he achieve his six inches close up punch. Most Wing Chun practitioner doesn't achieve this so they slap with their punch at close quarter and has no power. Boxing has alot of power because the long trajectory of the punch but if one can achieve the short range punch like Bruce then Wing Chun can be very effective because at short range it is almost impossible to duck or parry because it get there so quickly. That's why Bruce practiced his one finger push up among other technique.
Reply:When comparing systems you have numerous elements to consider. Here are some specific observations on the styles you asked about.





First off any time you clinch or grab an opponent and try to punch or strike in boxing it’s deemed dirty fighting and is not legal in the sport while in most Chinese systems there are numerous elements employing leverage, takedowns, chokes, throws, flips and sensitive area strikes etc that may or may not be legal in a sport application. The majority of which would not be allowed in the sport of boxing.





That leads me to this statement. You cannot compare an art built for sport with a no rules or strictly self-defense oriented fighting style. Once the rules go away you have to see which fighter pulls the other into his game plan most effectively.





99% of the time the person who throws and lands the first solid strike in a street fight generally wins. The other opponent simply gets run over once his guard falls or he is knocked out. Check out YouTube for plenty of real life examples.





In all fairness all sport fighting regardless of name or style is developed with the athletes safety in mind note you cannot strike the spine, eye gauge, fish hook, break fingers and toes (except for early years in UFC), head butt and other moves or strikes may be prohibited in certain MMA organizations.





Fights are brutal enough at times without having to observe suffering of a well trained fighter and thus rules make it a more level playing field for both competitors so they can compete and still train to fight another day. And in all competition there is chance for major injury and even death regardless of any rules developed so it’s all dangerous and all arts have lethality build into them or potential to cause death in certain situations. Protecting the combatant’s well-being is paramount in all organizations.





I should note the Gracie’s are to be commended in their campaign to compare the fighting style of BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) to all comers. Today you can still walk right into a Gracie school and attempt to take on one of their students to try to prove your fighting style is better than theirs. In the videos I have observed which took place over a great many years in all cases the Gracie fighter closed the distance, established superior position, took advantage (inflicted pain to gain compliance) and applied a submission to end the confrontation. This is a prime example of one fighter bringing another right into his game plan.





In the octagon BJJ established itself as a preeminent and dominant fighting style through the years but with time and evolution we have scene stand up fighters, strikers and freestyle fighters win significant championships regardless of style. Now MMA fighters have incorporated a diverse set of tools to create well-rounded game plan for the octagon: BJJ/wrestling, Boxing or and Muy Thai have become the cornerstones for successful training regimens in lots of schools.





In my mind it is fruitless to compare disparate and unique fighting styles one to another, it’s counter productive. Styles aside the usual winner of a fight is the person who holds either the stronger will, confidence or ability to inflict meaningful damage on the other or the guy who rules the game will win (draw your opponent into your game plan and out of his/hers).





In conclusion martial arts were developed for many reasons but in spirit they all enable a person to understand and develop a stronger awareness of self and they challenge the participant to realize, understand and improve upon weaknesses both physically and mentally. In the end martial arts builds better people. I could jammer on this topic so I will end my answer here. Great question though.





KK
Reply:depends on the person at the time
Reply:No disrespect is intended to the asker of this question; however, the question reminds me of questions like "who would win a fight between Steven Segal and Bruce Lee"?





I'm not a practioner of Wing Chun; however, I am trained in Western Boxing and other Chinese martial arts. From what I HAVE seen by Wing Chun practioners, however, it seems that Western boxing is definitely more superior. However, I have seen very high-level Wing Chun masters with very devastating punches.





In my opinion, at the highest levels of any art, the lines are blurred, and the way a certain art is supposed to "look" become different. For example, Mike Tyson and Roy Jones, Jr. in their prime definitely didn't use "traditional" Western boxing techniques. As such, I think comparing styles as to which is "better" becomes irrelevant. From my very rudimentary knowledge of wing chun, I can see several opportunites where wing chun strikes (as opposed to Western boxing punches) can be effectively used in MMA when an opponent is backed into the ropes/cage.





I dunno. Maybe most MMA fighters simply don't study wing chun
Reply:These questions are always impossible to answer. Would the boxer fight by Queensbury rules while the Wing Chun fighter can do anything? Do they both have no rules at all? With equal training, equal weight and reach, then the wing chun may have a chance if they can get in close, avoid the hook, and attack the joints etc.